From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Modify text appearance (put spaces after commas just for display) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: <20170927120026.GB24821@tuxteam.de> References: <87tvzpx1qo.fsf@eps142.cdf.udc.es> <861smt3j24.fsf@zoho.com> <20170926093255.GD1556@tuxteam.de> <86wp4l22du.fsf@zoho.com> <20170926103024.GA5189@tuxteam.de> <86shf9174r.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506513701 11577 195.159.176.226 (27 Sep 2017 12:01:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:01:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 27 14:01:30 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB1o-0001oO-3l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:01:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54328 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB1q-0001o0-I5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB18-0001jJ-RX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:00:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB13-0001Ac-2k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:00:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:41650 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB12-0000rY-SR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dxB0s-0006rf-KW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:00:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86shf9174r.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114436 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:29:08PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomás wrote: > > > Why wouldn't you? > > Because it is confusing. Sorry. Wrong question (the "you" is ambiguous -- it might mean either "you, Emanuel" or the generic, impersonal "you". I meant the latter. [...] My whole point can be reduced to two things: (1) what we perceive as "literal display" is already the result of a more or less complex mapping; its undeniable advantage is, of course, that it is very conventional and thus large swaths of that mapping are already well-understood and relatively stable. But it's no better or worse (and no "truer" or "falser") than any other display. (2) there are other needs, views and preferences than the ones we currently understand. They are as important as ours. One of the things I really like Emacs for is that, while it carries the "plain text" paradigm very far (making Emacs, among other things eminently understandable and hackable [1]), it doesn't close the door on (2) (for an example on this, see e.g. Widget). Cheers [1] The very Org mode is a living proof to that. - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlnLktoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaJZACdHtvztGtmKXQIoFsXcZSJgeem 85IAnRgT6FARFheDX6gRES86vmsq5svP =jlG5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----