From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 26.1 release branch created Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: <20170919194356.GC19168@ACM> References: <83377mls4d.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919173511.GA19168@ACM> <83bmm6h8vr.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919180944.GB19168@ACM> <838thah71i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1505850700 1105 195.159.176.226 (19 Sep 2017 19:51:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:51:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 19 21:51:36 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1duOYQ-0008QE-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:51:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45098 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duOYX-0001q7-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:51:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duOXV-0001pq-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duOXR-00013W-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:50:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:61787 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duOXR-00012z-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:50:33 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 32871 invoked by uid 3782); 19 Sep 2017 19:50:31 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C6659.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.102.89]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:29 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 21452 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Sep 2017 19:43:56 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218542 Archived-At: Hello, Paul. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:11:02 -0700, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 09/19/2017 11:34 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > So for now, I think we should leave things as they are and wait for > > feedback. A few days ago, somebody on the help list complained that his quotes were being messed up in help messages. Eli answered him by explaining about curly quotes, and what Emacs does with ASCII quotes. That much is not in the manual. > To address some of Alan's concerns, how about adding a brief note to the > user manual, in its section "Display Custom" that already says > "Beginning users can skip [this section]" and that already mentions > things like tty-suppress-bold-inverse-default-colors that are meant for > expert users. Something like the attached, perhaps? No, nothing like the attached. I doubt you'll be surprised at all, but that fails to address my concerns. My main concern at the moment is my belief that you have been and are attempting to maximise the difficulty faced by Emacs users in disabling curly quotes. I would appreciate clarification on this point. I would appreciate even more a clear statement that this isn't the case, and that you will work together with me to make it as easy as possible for users who might so wish to disable substitution of ` and ' by curly quotes. > >>From dab4b8b8fe444412ac017278ee4c801f2fe6fb24 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:08:37 -0700 > Subject: [PATCH] Mention text-quoting-style in user manual > * doc/emacs/display.texi (Display Custom): > Document text-quoting-style, briefly. > Lack of documentation noted by Alan Mackenzie in: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-09/msg00632.html > --- > doc/emacs/display.texi | 9 +++++++++ > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+) > diff --git a/doc/emacs/display.texi b/doc/emacs/display.texi > index 2aa79e1161..878632692e 100644 > --- a/doc/emacs/display.texi > +++ b/doc/emacs/display.texi > @@ -1839,6 +1839,15 @@ Display Custom > @code{tty-suppress-bold-inverse-default-colors} with a non-@code{nil} > argument to suppress the effect of bold-face in this case. > +@vindex text-quoting-style > + Emacs infers how to quote in messages, help and info by examining > +its environment. By default, Emacs quotes @t{???like this???} with curved > +single quotes if displayable, and @t{`like this'} with grave accent > +and apostrophe otherwise. If the default does not work for you, you > +can override it by setting the variable @code{text-quoting-style}. > +@xref{Keys in Documentation,, Substituting Key Bindings in > +Documentation, elisp, The GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual}. > + > @vindex display-raw-bytes-as-hex > Raw bytes are displayed in octal format by default, for example a > byte with a decimal value of 128 is displayed as @code{\200}. To > -- > 2.13.5 -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).