how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Filipe Silva]

I've set up my keyboard layout in arch with localectl set-x11-keymap us
pc104 intl

By default, in this layout, the ' is a dead character. It is called a dead
acute. In portuguese, we are used to compose the ç char with ' + c = ç when
using international us-keyboard layouts.

I don't know why, but by default linux distros come configured so that when
you type this combination ' + c= ć, which is an invalid char in Brazilian
portuguese, and so I'm screwed.

So I did this:

   -

   Editing the files:

   sudo vim /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache sudo vim
   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules.cache

   changing the line

   "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale"
   "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa" to "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20"
   "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en"
   -

   replaced "ć" to "ç" and "Ć" to "Ç" on
   /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose

   sudo cp /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
   /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.bak sed 's/ć/ç/g' <
   /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose | sed 's/Ć/Ç/g' > Compose sudo mv
   Compose /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
   -

      add two lines on /etc/environment

      GTK_IM_MODULE=cedilla QT_IM_MODULE=cedilla
      -

      restart my computer.

And all is working fine in firefox, chromium, scite, gvim or any other gui
tool, but no emacs. on emacs, ' + cinsist on producing ć, despite my
efforts.


So I ask you, how can I teach emacs to produce ç and not ć in this scenario?


thanks in advance.

Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Óscar Fuentes]

Filipe Silva <filipe.silva@gmail.com> writes:

> I've set up my keyboard layout in arch with localectl set-x11-keymap us
> pc104 intl
>
> By default, in this layout, the ' is a dead character. It is called a dead
> acute. In portuguese, we are used to compose the ç char with ' + c = ç when
> using international us-keyboard layouts.
>
> I don't know why, but by default linux distros come configured so that when
> you type this combination ' + c= ć, which is an invalid char in Brazilian
> portuguese, and so I'm screwed.
>
> So I did this:
>
>    -
>
>    Editing the files:
>
>    sudo vim /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache sudo vim
>    /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules.cache
>
>    changing the line
>
>    "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale"
>    "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa" to "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20"
>    "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en"
>    -
>
>    replaced "ć" to "ç" and "Ć" to "Ç" on
>    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>
>    sudo cp /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.bak sed 's/ć/ç/g' <
>    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose | sed 's/Ć/Ç/g' > Compose sudo mv
>    Compose /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>    -
>
>       add two lines on /etc/environment
>
>       GTK_IM_MODULE=cedilla QT_IM_MODULE=cedilla
>       -
>
>       restart my computer.
>
> And all is working fine in firefox, chromium, scite, gvim or any other gui
> tool, but no emacs. on emacs, ' + cinsist on producing ć, despite my
> efforts.
>
>
> So I ask you, how can I teach emacs to produce ç and not ć in this scenario?
>
>
> thanks in advance.

Curious. I have

setxkbmap us_intl

in my init scripts and have the opposite problem (not actually a problem
for me since in my languages ç is not used).

' + c produces ç in Emacs but ć elsewhere.

BUT...

if I start Emacs with -Q, then ' + c indeed produces as the other
applications ć.

After looking at my customizations, tried

LANG=C emacs -Q

and now ' + c gives ç.

Hope this gives you some clues.

Ubuntu 17.04 here.

Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Héctor Lahoz]

Filipe Silva wrote:
> I've set up my keyboard layout in arch with localectl set-x11-keymap us
> pc104 intl

If you usually write Portuguese I don't think it is a good idea.
Use a layout that produces characters for your language.
I use a Spanish layout and then we have a key for 'ç', just one
keystroke. This character is also used in French and Catalonian.

> I don't know why, but by default linux distros come configured so that when
> you type this combination ' + c= ć, which is an invalid char in Brazilian
> portuguese, and so I'm screwed.

Some European languages use it.

Another option is, if you definitely want an English keyboard layout,
to use input method for portuguese:

M-x use-input-method RET portuguese-prefix RET

Then either ", c" or "' c" give "ç".

Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Filipe Silva]

very interesting. LANC=C emacs really fix the problem. What is happening
here?

maybe this is a bug.

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> wrote:

> Filipe Silva <filipe.silva@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I've set up my keyboard layout in arch with localectl set-x11-keymap us
> > pc104 intl
> >
> > By default, in this layout, the ' is a dead character. It is called a
> dead
> > acute. In portuguese, we are used to compose the ç char with ' + c = ç
> when
> > using international us-keyboard layouts.
> >
> > I don't know why, but by default linux distros come configured so that
> when
> > you type this combination ' + c= ć, which is an invalid char in Brazilian
> > portuguese, and so I'm screwed.
> >
> > So I did this:
> >
> >    -
> >
> >    Editing the files:
> >
> >    sudo vim /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache sudo vim
> >    /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules.cache
> >
> >    changing the line
> >
> >    "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale"
> >    "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa" to "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20"
> >    "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en"
> >    -
> >
> >    replaced "ć" to "ç" and "Ć" to "Ç" on
> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
> >
> >    sudo cp /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.bak sed 's/ć/ç/g' <
> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose | sed 's/Ć/Ç/g' > Compose
> sudo mv
> >    Compose /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
> >    -
> >
> >       add two lines on /etc/environment
> >
> >       GTK_IM_MODULE=cedilla QT_IM_MODULE=cedilla
> >       -
> >
> >       restart my computer.
> >
> > And all is working fine in firefox, chromium, scite, gvim or any other
> gui
> > tool, but no emacs. on emacs, ' + cinsist on producing ć, despite my
> > efforts.
> >
> >
> > So I ask you, how can I teach emacs to produce ç and not ć in this
> scenario?
> >
> >
> > thanks in advance.
>
> Curious. I have
>
> setxkbmap us_intl
>
> in my init scripts and have the opposite problem (not actually a problem
> for me since in my languages ç is not used).
>
> ' + c produces ç in Emacs but ć elsewhere.
>
> BUT...
>
> if I start Emacs with -Q, then ' + c indeed produces as the other
> applications ć.
>
> After looking at my customizations, tried
>
> LANG=C emacs -Q
>
> and now ' + c gives ç.
>
> Hope this gives you some clues.
>
> Ubuntu 17.04 here.
>
>
>

Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Filipe Silva]

Ok, so I implemented a your LANG=C hack in my emacs daemon script:



unamestr=$(uname -a)
if [[ "$unamestr" == *"Linux"* ]] && [[ $unamestr == *"ARCH"* ]]; then
  # fix cedila | ç  in emacs under arch linux
  # hack found here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2017-07/msg00070.html
  LANG=C
fi

emacs.sh --daemon; rc=$?
if [[ ! $rc = 0 ]]; then
  echo -e "there was a ${Red}problem${Rst} starting emacs daemon: $rc"
  exit $rc
else
  echo -e "emacs daemon ${Blue}started${Rst}. success."
fi

boostrap_time=$(emacsclient.sh -e "(emacs-init-time)")
echo -e "emacs daemon boostrap time: ${Cyan}${boostrap_time}${Rst}"


And it works. But why does it works? It feels so fragile.


On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Filipe Silva <filipe.silva@gmail.com>
wrote:

> very interesting. LANC=C emacs really fix the problem. What is happening
> here?
>
> maybe this is a bug.
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> wrote:
>
>> Filipe Silva <filipe.silva@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > I've set up my keyboard layout in arch with localectl set-x11-keymap us
>> > pc104 intl
>> >
>> > By default, in this layout, the ' is a dead character. It is called a
>> dead
>> > acute. In portuguese, we are used to compose the ç char with ' + c = ç
>> when
>> > using international us-keyboard layouts.
>> >
>> > I don't know why, but by default linux distros come configured so that
>> when
>> > you type this combination ' + c= ć, which is an invalid char in
>> Brazilian
>> > portuguese, and so I'm screwed.
>> >
>> > So I did this:
>> >
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    Editing the files:
>> >
>> >    sudo vim /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache sudo vim
>> >    /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules.cache
>> >
>> >    changing the line
>> >
>> >    "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale"
>> >    "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa" to "cedilla" "Cedilla" "gtk20"
>> >    "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en"
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    replaced "ć" to "ç" and "Ć" to "Ç" on
>> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>> >
>> >    sudo cp /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.bak sed 's/ć/ç/g' <
>> >    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose | sed 's/Ć/Ç/g' > Compose
>> sudo mv
>> >    Compose /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
>> >    -
>> >
>> >       add two lines on /etc/environment
>> >
>> >       GTK_IM_MODULE=cedilla QT_IM_MODULE=cedilla
>> >       -
>> >
>> >       restart my computer.
>> >
>> > And all is working fine in firefox, chromium, scite, gvim or any other
>> gui
>> > tool, but no emacs. on emacs, ' + cinsist on producing ć, despite my
>> > efforts.
>> >
>> >
>> > So I ask you, how can I teach emacs to produce ç and not ć in this
>> scenario?
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks in advance.
>>
>> Curious. I have
>>
>> setxkbmap us_intl
>>
>> in my init scripts and have the opposite problem (not actually a problem
>> for me since in my languages ç is not used).
>>
>> ' + c produces ç in Emacs but ć elsewhere.
>>
>> BUT...
>>
>> if I start Emacs with -Q, then ' + c indeed produces as the other
>> applications ć.
>>
>> After looking at my customizations, tried
>>
>> LANG=C emacs -Q
>>
>> and now ' + c gives ç.
>>
>> Hope this gives you some clues.
>>
>> Ubuntu 17.04 here.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[tomas]

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:55:08PM -0300, Filipe Silva wrote:
> very interesting. LANC=C emacs really fix the problem. What is happening
> here?
> 
> maybe this is a bug.

There's mention on that in the doc (22.2 Language Environments):

#+BEGIN_QUOTE
   To display information about the effects of a certain language
environment LANG-ENV, use the command `C-h L LANG-ENV <RET>'
(`describe-language-environment').  This tells you which languages this
language environment is useful for, and lists the character sets,
coding systems, and input methods that go with it.  It also shows some
sample text to illustrate scripts used in this language environment.
If you give an empty input for LANG-ENV, this command describes the
chosen language environment.
#+END_QUOTE

So it's probably intentional

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Filipe Silva]

Ok but there's No `C` Language environment on that list.

What exactly does LANG=C do to emacs?

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:38 PM, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

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> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:55:08PM -0300, Filipe Silva wrote:
> > very interesting. LANC=C emacs really fix the problem. What is happening
> > here?
> >
> > maybe this is a bug.
>
> There's mention on that in the doc (22.2 Language Environments):
>
> #+BEGIN_QUOTE
>    To display information about the effects of a certain language
> environment LANG-ENV, use the command `C-h L LANG-ENV <RET>'
> (`describe-language-environment').  This tells you which languages this
> language environment is useful for, and lists the character sets,
> coding systems, and input methods that go with it.  It also shows some
> sample text to illustrate scripts used in this language environment.
> If you give an empty input for LANG-ENV, this command describes the
> chosen language environment.
> #+END_QUOTE
>
> So it's probably intentional
>
> Cheers
> - -- tomás
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Re: how to teach emacs that ' + c = ç

[Filipe Silva]

Ok so this line:

$ LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 emacs -Q

works fine.

so the portuguese user has really to set pt_BR properly in his system for
this to work.

Problem solved!

Thanks everyone.



On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Filipe Silva <filipe.silva@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok but there's No `C` Language environment on that list.
>
> What exactly does LANG=C do to emacs?
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:38 PM, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
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>> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:55:08PM -0300, Filipe Silva wrote:
>> > very interesting. LANC=C emacs really fix the problem. What is happening
>> > here?
>> >
>> > maybe this is a bug.
>>
>> There's mention on that in the doc (22.2 Language Environments):
>>
>> #+BEGIN_QUOTE
>>    To display information about the effects of a certain language
>> environment LANG-ENV, use the command `C-h L LANG-ENV <RET>'
>> (`describe-language-environment').  This tells you which languages this
>> language environment is useful for, and lists the character sets,
>> coding systems, and input methods that go with it.  It also shows some
>> sample text to illustrate scripts used in this language environment.
>> If you give an empty input for LANG-ENV, this command describes the
>> chosen language environment.
>> #+END_QUOTE
>>
>> So it's probably intentional
>>
>> Cheers
>> - -- tomás
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