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[188.87.216.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k12sm21754214wrc.10.2017.07.04.01.24.38 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Jul 2017 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8637aexz6l.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113687 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > And: Why wouldn't Spanish-speaking programmers > and user of advanced technology acquire > English? Many, many have already done so and in > one or two generations it will be even > more widespread. I like English for its simplicity. And it is clear that we need a universal language. And I think English is a good choice. But free software is about freedom. I don't like people who try to impose their thoughts or their language. If someone doesn't want to invest time and effort to acquire some language, he is in his right. And I think it would be good that someone who doesn't speak English could use Emacs efficiently for non-programming tasks. I'm not talking about translating commands which would be (maybe) nonsense. But the manual is the starting point. I think it should be available in other languages. Not just Spanish. > If they don't, it is a huge mistake on their > part and translating the manual won't help, I'm > afraid. No, trust the people. Every programmer > on this planet will soon know good > enough English! I agree. But bear in mind that Emacs is not just for programmers. All the modes for human languages can be used by non-programmers. And many users of Emacs are not programmers.