From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: On cl-print and help-fns Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20170630021020.GA27460@holos.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1498788638 19480 195.159.176.226 (30 Jun 2017 02:10:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 02:10:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) Cc: Stefan Monnier To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 30 04:10:32 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dQlOC-0004m4-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:10:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42031 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQlOH-0007WB-GF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49844) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQlO8-0007Vz-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQlO4-00024y-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]:33943) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dQlO4-00023l-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id 32so88960776qtv.1 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=l7QWNktVtxMHBwTXGGbaWXc2STPluebFC/lgHZd/R1k=; b=ib6k8bkJ2itn0n8aAQNH05vOhWQtbtclFMRPfyCBLT/hX47vhr7becwpw+xUnOSnfb lGDJzUKOewW3KgolLQb7snAZCB8glipRo/9nKCWqUg8y8/f0nejNgwm5aB+/6uoyBGZL xZsxfO+Xi7zzKuhl4LYJgRlqFpUwnXq08FirYFErb/9iuO2vyrqpxlaXU39f2l6Q5cq3 g74kwfczCKdPHoL5fV5JQ16PPC5R5dVvp8KRD9zPzP59KMoTy1Xw8rYxiGDQxbKBQtMK iELJcZevE17hLZjzk4a1V7prod9jUnlc4Og5Ric0KTnYqIb9X7HZCWlS4vEKkvUyGmoq 8wDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=l7QWNktVtxMHBwTXGGbaWXc2STPluebFC/lgHZd/R1k=; b=jLZ0G0aUEytwpNm8+qt3pGtEhK2EmGUpsNbGeOZ0YrbZDC/TKOYTLSydQQZF7O6gDT Jy5bBTG4I5bljBiPRxqoevkgyxfeIpS/9bFISQyGp/Qr6Zgel2W4tQafyq0po0sLnUHu l+5psSZFeXPsqBME36lQPhHhKCrw8I8M1WeSf13CyDjTGYYVqYY4Gnv/+M+0z14LVZfL lsETeKADlCHkv/hWUnIom2zxIlWLoVnseIvuwrTNcicQIS8f3Dg4ynVbEc64HqqLpiVi 2J/pGA2iApD1h6Tpf3SI9g9e+rWgJatwPLUJ336SMclE9w6KZco4bKC9y2hrb5OmelXh w5UQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzYQBy4Ci9fjcAjOC+rUYrWjPdC1iR8f3/uZjF4TCeFRC/JD2+c A7fymfZfBmRdDAzY9haG6Q== X-Received: by 10.237.51.34 with SMTP id u31mr6755959qtd.188.1498788621755; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from holos.localdomain (pool-173-64-125-158.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [173.64.125.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m49sm5828311qtf.32.2017.06.29.19.10.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C2E168E78; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216055 Archived-At: Hi, While cl-print is a nice feature, I am puzzled why its use in the help buffer is neither documented nor configurable. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=2c18969c8 I think that "Its value is #f(compiled-function () #)", while less messy, is less useful than just seeing the bytecode, as the bytecode would at least give me a clue. The cl-prin1-to-string output is opaque.