From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master b0042b7: Make CC Mode load cl-lib rather than cl in Emacs 26. Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:31:50 +0000 Message-ID: <20170626163150.GA2471@acm> References: <20170625140057.23973.37361@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20170625140057.DC363208E3@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1498494801 28791 195.159.176.226 (26 Jun 2017 16:33:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 26 18:33:13 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dPWwl-0006rt-Uh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 18:33:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47576 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPWwr-0005BQ-2c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:33:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51330) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPWwk-0005B6-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPWwg-0005ln-JP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:41329 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPWwg-0005h0-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 51741 invoked by uid 3782); 26 Jun 2017 16:32:59 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C6649.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.102.73]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 18:32:58 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2495 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Jun 2017 16:31:50 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216002 Archived-At: Hello, Stefan. On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 17:44:04 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Hi Alan. > > Make CC Mode load cl-lib rather than cl in Emacs 26. > Great. Could you tell us why you go through all that trouble instead of > just always using cl-lib (which has been tested to work in Emacsen as > old as Emacs-21 and XEmacs-21.4)? cl-lib doesn't exist in those older Emacsen, neither does it exist in XEmacs. So doing what you suggest isn't a sensible thing to do. > That would make you free to use any cl-lib functions and macros > without having to add matching c--* macros. The macros are necessitated by, amongst other things, name changes in functions, some of which have had traditionally approved names for decades. (I have a copy of the Lisp Machine Manual from the 1980s to back this up.) > Stefan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).