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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:01:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170603210101.GB2130@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73poemlyhp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

[ Posted to emacs-devel@gnu.org.  Reply-To: set there too. ]

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 20:13:22 -0400, Glenn Morris wrote:

> > We had that discussion there already, and I doubt whether it'd be
> > worthwhile to repeat it. Of course you're free to take it there again
> > if you like.

The discussion was abruptly suspended with "we're too close to a
release", without any conclusion having been reached.

`message' and friends are in a thoroughly unsatisfactory state, with
wild ad-hoc rules, and obstruse formulations needed as workarounds.

> I think this is a situation where the maintainer(s) should simply
> announce a decision, so that we can stop going over the same ground
> again and again. (Personally I think a year and two releases means the
> decision is already made.)

The decision was made in the near infinite number of releases prior to
Emacs 25 to have a rational and clear system of special characters
beginning with %.  Quote translation, which was introduced into Emacs
without a consensus amongst developers has destroyed that rationality
and simplicity.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-03 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02 14:55 bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-02 16:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-02 16:41   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 17:53 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-02 19:10   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 15:17     ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-03 16:36       ` Drew Adams
2016-05-03 16:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 15:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 16:27       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 16:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 20:03           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 20:49             ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 15:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 16:48               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 17:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 17:37                   ` Josh
2016-05-04 19:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 18:04                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:39                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 18:57                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 19:02                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 21:34                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 21:50                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 23:49                       ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-05 15:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-10 14:41                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31  1:07                             ` Glenn Morris
2017-05-31  1:42                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31 21:24                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-05-31 23:26                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-02 21:02                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-02 21:15                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-03 21:10                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:10                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:32                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-03 21:32                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-02 21:47                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-03  0:13                                         ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:01                                           ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2017-06-03 21:01                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 20:53                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 20:53                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-04 21:01                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 16:27                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 16:27                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 18:19                                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 18:19                                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 18:31                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-05 18:31                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-05 20:37                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 21:05                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 16:50                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:29                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 19:29                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06  0:14                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-06  8:21                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-06 12:24                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 13:55                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 13:55                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 18:21                                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 18:59                                                             ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 18:59                                                             ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 19:39                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 19:39                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07  4:57                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-07  4:57                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-06 12:24                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 23:09                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-07  7:44                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 18:17                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08  8:04                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 13:27                                                         ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 13:27                                                         ` Drew Adams
2017-06-06  8:21                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 19:13                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:27                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 19:33                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-07 19:33                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-07 19:51                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:51                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:33                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:56                                                           ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 22:05                                                             ` `message' with quotes [was: bug#23425: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote] Drew Adams
2017-06-08 17:49                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:33                                                         ` bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:27                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 23:28                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08 17:34                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-08 20:17                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 19:41                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 20:17                                                               ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 20:38                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 21:05                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 21:44                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 22:51                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-10  0:20                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-10 10:01                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 10:52                                                                       ` David Engster
2017-06-10 11:48                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 13:01                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 13:39                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-11 10:03                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-11 14:37                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 15:28                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-05 20:37                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-01 16:56                                   ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:07                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:07                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:46                     ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 20:23                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 21:15                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 22:19                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-05  7:12                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-05-05 17:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05  8:06                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-05 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 23:46                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-06  8:54                         ` Nicolas Petton
2016-05-04 19:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 21:49               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-09 20:31 ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-10  7:08   ` Eli Zaretskii

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