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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:18e5:c6e:a431:d06a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h123sm26562416wmd.34.2017.05.30.11.33.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 May 2017 11:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:215353 Archived-At: On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 08:09:58AM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > > On May 30, 2017, at 2:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > >> emacs and emacs -nw seem to have different initialisation > >> parameters that I can't seem to disable even when I run emacs -Q. > >> I'd like to have hints for further investigation... > >> > >> Practically speaking, emacs in a graphical frame seems to re-bind > >> a number of org-mode keys while emacs -nw gets the expected > >> bindings. > >> > >> This happens *even* when I run emacs -Q vs emacs -Q -nw > > > > On what OS? > > macOS. I also get this behavior in Aquamacs. Check list/term/ns-win.el. It claims it’s loaded when Emacs detects that NS windows are going to be used, in which case it might be the source of your mystery rebindings. -- Alan Third