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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::241 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112927 Archived-At: On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 01:05:44PM -0400, ken wrote: > > I've heard all these arguments/instructions before. They are > neither comforting nor persuasive. Also, I've been managing five > mailing lists for about ten years, all of which have > [mailing-list-name] descriptors (and many more other mailing lists > earlier for fewer numbers of years), and absolutely *no one* /ever/ > complained, or even mentioned anything, about those descriptors. > Heck, I'd guess over the past thirty years I'm been a member of > easily a hundred different mailing lists, and never have I heard a > complaint about those paltry few helpful characters appearing in > list mail Subject lines. So what problem does eliminating them > meant to solve? I don't think this is a reason to do something. Everybody could be doing it wrong. > Finally, computers and software are meant to make life and things > easier. A lot of tech people, and it seems especially Linux people, > don't get that. They appreciate and love wading through the > complexity and seem to want others to as well. But there are people > who aren't as much enamored with all the technology and have other > priorities... writing, for instance. Isn't that supposed to be what > emacs is about? I can understand this but still don't see it's enough to change the current behaviour. If my mail gets cluttered with "[from-list]" stuff it doesn't make my life easier. One real-world example: "[maillist-1] Fwd: [mailist-2] Re: Subject" Personally I am with tomas. Here in Spain we say "un sitio para cada cosa y cada cosa en su sitio" (each thing in its place). If there is a header to put this information let's use it and. Subject is for "subject". Nothing more. The mail relays keep inserting all kinds of things here. Even the "Re:" is annoying for me. So I think it's good as it is now.