From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hector Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Requiring elisp that comes with Emacs Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 11:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <20170201100707.GB2388@workstation> References: <874m0gv6ba.fsf@gmail.com> <87k29bl4v0.fsf@gmail.com> <87fujzknh5.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485959377 26313 195.159.176.226 (1 Feb 2017 14:29:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:29:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Skip Montanaro , narendraj9@gmail.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 01 15:29:34 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYvue-0006Yn-7l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:29:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51265 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYvuj-00070F-O4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:29:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYrrJ-0006zG-08 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 05:09:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYrrE-0006O5-13 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 05:09:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x242.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::242]:34018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYrrD-0006Nt-QU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 05:09:43 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x242.google.com with SMTP id c85so4715709wmi.1 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 02:09:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Iuxx1o85bSVAl2BNSypd1CGRx5mXu4ltr/rguFRpeV4=; b=gRFDnXokJjCBKr5rXKzDbPSdnF+5YIAaYkQAmAr1TZU0qn/QGQOue/CDZxcF6K+rX5 aM4WL+aEF3n+Aw1J2Yrg2WlwFroH/+5HX5afI+5IpL0lh3ElJ7O2WcPYIoYRbfKhsF/v QQ8ToXzO5/X+rmz5rnsOCMUHd3/pSUxQGIZ+9L6b4RPDuWeMjrMkbCBRPPNQ05EtHYPH wei3XzP9Y0w+CxM3BC68/kICxqoqVK4SbNofLmKW3mJ7qtO5VgjbNhjir9yGIMjyb5kR 1uRrrZlF0iPnyhOgyDvK3cG1p4xb+fKGwp3nx/xwM02o9p6s+BhQE4ke5K4Lt+6kD7YM DKZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Iuxx1o85bSVAl2BNSypd1CGRx5mXu4ltr/rguFRpeV4=; b=I/LeseGHGvHBHpV5eag7mkEDBCWRcPVTPx+1BghH7g6zJL4GiLJE4XSWJ1f3rEh8bn jNIQuSQ7b60LRGaUKjzLVER3QQjRZaRd/pf3klI4CBH0Q+2LxOfcfzK3JH8sXxnfvfqj N7L+CyCoEh4zFtTWplNWbcoZ8asjrgfriAEFaPWyKsBFt7OZJIVF8Z+Vbtpg86t1Sj22 b5qZA3eroiChJ+Q1Uy/TJ1JvaBSjbSgo0mZLgrBJ52o28iJF3mARcGmw4neCEmSfkWcq lTotl9m0HNsQCVnu0QSWMexWLq2JYrYIFX+G9acW+nztBmysq3TM4HKVML0UqhxJi6p7 O9RQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLk6QDB12stsP4uQE3bmwzJbqMNQda1qq1xL1H6uT8+LpomLtOxvyMlHSn5tvXY+w== X-Received: by 10.28.155.5 with SMTP id d5mr2337021wme.85.1485943782466; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 02:09:42 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from workstation ([47.63.38.96]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w126sm32735167wmw.0.2017.02.01.02.09.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Feb 2017 02:09:41 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: hector Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::242 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:28:55 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112226 Archived-At: That's a very good answer. This is how life (and society) works. I am a do-it-yourself kind of guy. I guess that's why I like Emacs and free software in general. But sometimes you must accept you can't do EVERYTHING by yourself. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 02:40:55PM -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Why would you let someone else manage it for you? > > This is not really an Emacs question. It is more of a quality of life > question. Still, since you asked... > > I let someone else manage my Emacs installations for the same reasons that: > > - I no longer rebuild my Linux kernel daily (as I used to 20 or more > years ago) > - I rely on a third party to maintain a complex Python environment > (despite having been one of the core Python developers in dim, dark the > past) > - Let the mechanic do tune-ups on my car > > There is value in stability and knowing when others are better at a > particular task than I am (or at least good enough that I can delegate to > them). I can't be an expert in everything. Sometimes, even if I know I can > do the job myself, it's worth it to let someone else do it, because time - > as they say - is money. If I'm fiddling with my Emacs installation or > changing the oil in my car, that's time when I could have been doing > something else of more personal value to me, like working on paying work, > riding my bike, or having dinner with my wife. I have more important things > to do with my time than fiddle with a complex tool chain on a continuous > (or even occasional) basis. > > S > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Narendra Joshi > wrote: > > > Skip Montanaro writes: > > > > > (require) a fewpackages in my .emacs file: mouse, > > > auto-complete-config, and lua-mode. I didn't install any of them > > > (someone else manages my local Emacs installation), so they may not > > > > That's interesting. Why would you let someone else manage it for you? > > > > - Narendra > >