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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: "Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: The current state of the comment-cache branch
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:55:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161227175500.GD2324@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADtN0W+hZgyCTwsmXG5ceyeV3pQ8pihX02AAGFdnUFdRO6BuLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Elias.

On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 08:21:32PM +0800, Elias Mårtenson wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2016 7:36 pm, "Alan Mackenzie" <acm@muc.de> wrote:


>> > Could you or someone else explain why an open paren in column 0 can affect
>> > the parsing of syntax in cc-mode at all? After all, such parens have no
>> > special syntactic nor semantic meaning in C nor C++.

>> It is a convention established in Emacs around ?40 years ago, that such
>> an open paren signalled the start of a defun.  This sped Emacs up
>> enormously, since the alternative was searching back to the beginning of
>> the buffer to check whether the paren was at the top level.


> Thank you and Eli for clarifying this. It makes much more sense to me now.

> I'm still wondering how useful this could be for C code though. There are
> many coding conventions where the opening { of a function does not go in
> the left-most column. As far as I understand, such coding conventions would
> lead to slower parsing?

This convention is not useful for C.  It is purely an artifice to speed
up the analysis of comment boundaries when scanning backwards.  It is
actually a hindrance to CC Mode.

> I'm specifically asking this since I have sometimes used such style and at
> least I don't think I've felt any slowness.

For small and smallish buffers, you're not going to notice.  For larger
buffers, compare performance with the convention enabled (i.e. the
variable open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start set to t) and disabled
(that variable set to nil).  There is a noticeable difference in
performance towards the end of large buffers.

The idea of the comment-cache branch is to get rigorous analysis of
comments (like having o-p-i-c-0-i-d-s nil) together with the speed which
is currently provided by the convention (with o-p-i-c-0-i-d-s t).

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-27 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-23 21:50 The current state of the comment-cache branch Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24  9:07   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24  8:40   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 20:56   ` Stephen Leake
2016-12-25 15:47     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 20:41     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-24  8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24  8:30   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  8:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24  9:42       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 11:11         ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-24 11:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 12:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24 21:48               ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]             ` <CADtN0W+7zHzuoWFrzs6MuonUM74D_dC+yh10rSk+r0nuxgeTBg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <CADtN0WJYXRg=oEBxn3UPjF6RFJG62nG4GpUFaphdkj9Egde_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
2016-12-24 12:21                 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-27 17:55                   ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2016-12-28 15:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 16:42                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 16:45                       ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-28 17:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 23:58                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-29  3:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-29 16:56                               ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-29 17:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-29 19:44                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-30 10:29                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-03 17:39                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-20 18:58                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-20 21:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-21  9:06                                             ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-22  4:28                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-28 17:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-29  1:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-29  2:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24 12:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24 22:19           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-25 16:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 16:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28  8:37             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 17:02               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-28 17:10               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-27 16:40           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 15:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 16:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 18:54 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-27 16:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28  1:40     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-28  7:54       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-29  1:13         ` Dmitry Gutov

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