From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24891: 25.1: Falsehood on page "Major Modes" of Emacs manual. Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:46:42 +0000 Message-ID: <20161107194642.GA2988@acm.fritz.box> References: <20161106221832.GB5605@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1478548319 23035 195.159.176.226 (7 Nov 2016 19:51:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Cc: 24891@debbugs.gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 20:51:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pwl-0000xN-V9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:51:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56247 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pwl-0004Du-OQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:51:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3ptn-0002Ko-Eh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3ptj-0003T3-5h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:33296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3ptj-0003Sy-2S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pti-00058H-So for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24891 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24891-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24891.147854802719640 (code B ref 24891); Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24891) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2016 19:47:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pso-00056i-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:07 -0500 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:46951 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3psm-00056V-VW for 24891@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 89528 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Nov 2016 19:47:03 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C6E8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.110.141]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:47:02 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3041 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 2016 19:46:42 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125440 Archived-At: Hello, Richard. On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 09:43:29AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > all programming language modes run `prog-mode-hook', prior to > > running their own mode hooks. > > This is not true. A counter example is stand alone CC Mode. > Shouldn't we arrange for that to get fixed? No, because it's not broken. One of the purposes of stand alone CC Mode is to run on versions of (X)Emacs other than the latest Emacs. Traditionally, define-derived-mode has had defects which have resulted in bugs revealed by CC Mode - hopefully the last of these has now been fixed. So it's handy to have a CC Mode which isn't defined by define-derived-mode. The main point of my bug report still stands - there are an unknown number of programming language modes out there which are not derived from prog-mode. This makes the sentence fragment referred to untrue, so it should be modified. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) > Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).