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[72.78.210.63]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm15393241qka.4.2016.11.06.20.24.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:24:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0A72666231; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 23:24:16 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ins0hshk.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209236 Archived-At: On 07/11/16 at 05:35am, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:32:35 -0500 > > From: Mark Oteiza > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > On 05/11/16 at 10:34am, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > For removed symbols, bringing back the ones that are still needed is > > > easy. But what do we do with the default-FOO variables, once the > > > machinery for their generation is removed? > > > > I am guessing this is referring to my erroneous comment on > > buffer_defaults, as opposed to removing the DEFVAR_BUFFER_DEFAULTS > > macro. > > No, it referred to the DEFVAR_BUFFER_DEFAULTS macro and its users. Ok, so we do nothing, then. The default-FOO variables go away. They are the only users of DEFVAR_BUFFER_DEFAULTS, so that macro can also go. > > > In any case, this needs a NEWS entry listing all the removed > > > variables. > > > > Do you really want me to list them all in NEWS? I was inclined to > > use--under the section for removed things--the old entry from > > NEWS.23: > > > > ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO > > variable. > > I think at least a few of them should be mentioned by name ("such as > ..." etc.). Ok.