From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Skipping unexec via a big .elc file Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20161025185313.088e9afa@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <838ttyhhzu.fsf@gnu.org> <871szqwu51.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <831szqhbc2.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1itt79z.fsf_-_@users.sourceforge.net> <7baa18d4-2b09-caa8-005e-29008a383ad1@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvhwrgd5.fsf@gnu.org> <8539f38f-9a11-44c3-4de7-bb974c96206c@cs.ucla.edu> <8360ojpndr.fsf@gnu.org> <83shrnm0k1.fsf@gnu.org> <83insi5jy9.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvht50qb.fsf@gnu.org> <8c085c3e-361d-7d10-6f34-07c387eb3b43@dancol.org> <83a8dt4u3a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twc0whav.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477436046 28882 195.159.176.226 (25 Oct 2016 22:54:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 22:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, Daniel Colascione , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 26 00:53:56 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bzAbR-0005uy-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2016 00:53:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58608 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzAbT-00046W-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41645) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzAat-00046R-A4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzAas-0004XV-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:19 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:52708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzAao-0004WO-Vu; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:15 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A617C5; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27332DE021; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83twc0whav.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208809 Archived-At: On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:59:36 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Everyone who's seriously thought about the unexec problem > > _understands_ the issue. > > The important point is that the number of people here who can claim > such understanding, enough so to fix the issues, is diminishingly > small, and gets smaller every year. Just an aside: when you attract fewer and fewer users, you end up with fewer and fewer contributors. Fewer and fewer contributors makes maintenance harder and can create a death spiral for projects. If, in an effort to make maintenance easier, you scare off a lot of users, you could end up making the maintenance situation worse in the long run. I'm not saying that longer start time would scare off users as such, but in general, this balance has to be weighed in making decisions about usability vs. maintenance costs. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com