In emacs 24.3, I found that time-subtract returns a time difference that is one hour to large. The same appears to be valid in 25.1. Evaluate the following: (decode-time (time-subtract (encode-time 0 10 18 10 10 2016 nil 3600) (encode-time 0 40 8 10 10 2016 nil 3600))) (decode-time (time-add (encode-time 0 40 8 10 10 2016 nil 3600) (time-subtract (encode-time 0 10 18 10 10 2016 nil 3600) (encode-time 0 40 8 10 10 2016 nil 3600)))) Results are: (0 30 10 1 1 1970 4 nil 3600) for the first expression and (0 10 19 10 10 2016 1 t 7200) I'd expect a list starting with (0 30 9 ...) for the first expression (because the duration from 8:40 in the morning to 18:10 in the evening is 9 hours and 30 minutes, NOT 10 hours and 30 minutes) and the second list to start with 0 10 18 (so we arrive back at the later time if we add the difference to the sooner time). chipping on #emacs tells me he gets a functionally equivalent result on a more recent emacs version: chipping > TauPan: what is your result for the time-subtract version? I get (0 0 17 1 1 1970 4 nil 27000) on emacs 25.1.1 Since (format-time-string "%H:%M" (encode-time 0 0 17 1 1 1970 4 nil 27000)) is "10:30" they're basically the same (wrong) result. Kind regards Friedrich Delgado In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.9) of 2014-11-12 on cloud104 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11403901 System Description: openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) Configured using: `configure '--with-pop' '--without-hesiod' '--with-kerberos' '--with-kerberos5' '--with-xim' '--with-wide-int' '--enable-autodepend' '--prefix=/usr' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--with-x' '--with-sound' '--with-xpm' '--with-jpeg' '--with-tiff' '--with-gif' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-dbus' '--without-gpm' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk3' '--x-includes=/usr/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/lib64' '--with-xft' '--with-libotf' '--with-m17n-flt' '--build=x86_64-suse-linux' 'build_alias=x86_64-suse-linux' 'CFLAGS=-fmessage-length=0 -grecord-gcc-switches -fstack-protector -O2 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g -D_GNU_SOURCE -std=gnu89 -pipe -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unused-variable -Wno-unused-label -Wno-unprototyped-calls -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=55000 -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=10000 ' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O2 -Wl,--hash-size=65521'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: de_DE.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: POSIX value of $LANG: de_DE.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: global-aggressive-indent-mode: t wrap-region-global-mode: t wrap-region-mode: t tdd-mode: t pyvenv-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t magit-auto-revert-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t winpoint-mode: t dired-omit-mode: t display-time-mode: t strokes-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t ido-vertical-mode: t ido-everywhere: t global-git-gutter-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t override-global-mode: t image-diredx-async-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-d C-e M-: ( f o r m a t - t i m e - s t r i n g SPC C-e ) M-: " % H : % z " S-SPC C-e M-: C-d Z M-: C-d t M-: C-d x M-: C-d X M-: M-: C-d H : % M M-: C-SPC C-e M-w C-g M-x C-g M-x C-g C-g C-g M-: ( / SPC 2 7 0 0 0 SPC 3 6 0 0 . 0 ) M-: C-h C-g C-g C-x s y C-x s C-x C-r t m p a f d u d g i t O n o C-g C-x b C-g C-x b H a u C-x s C-x k M-x r e p o C-s Recent messages: "10:30:00" [2 times] "10:30" Quit [5 times] 7.5 Quit [2 times] Saving file /afs/dfn-cert.de/user/delgado/Org/work/tagebuch.org... 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abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) -- Dipl.-Inform Friedrich Delgado (Projekt- und Entwicklungsteam) DFN-CERT Services GmbH, https://www.dfn-cert.de/ Sitz/Register: Hamburg, AG Hamburg, HRB 88805, Ust-IdNr.: DE 232129737 Sachsenstraße 5, 20097 Hamburg/Germany, CEO: Dr. Klaus-Peter Kossakowski