From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for over aged hippies?! Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:34:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20160815095338226699039@bob.proulx.com> References: <86popa5lm4.fsf@student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1471282177 8526 195.159.176.226 (15 Aug 2016 17:29:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:29:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 15 19:29:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bZLhd-0001uz-81 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 19:29:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38205 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZLha-0007Gg-Av for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:29:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34458) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZKqf-0003JZ-IN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:34:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZKqa-0008DD-GY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:34:48 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:57846) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZKqa-0008Cc-Ah for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F63816A0 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD7E217DE for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B644D2DC46; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86popa5lm4.fsf@student.uu.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:28:16 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111146 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > I was in a discussion on rec.bicycles.tech on > the properties of the combination spanner > (combination wrench) but as it happened the > discussion drifted away across the Pacific to > Easter Island, Russian history, and > > Word Star, perhaps the most successful of > the early word processes. It was > a monolithic program in assembly language > and ran on the Z-80 processor, on the CP/M > operating system. It was written by a guy > named " John Robbins Barnaby", in four > months. 137,000 lines of assembler code. I used Wordstar "'back-in-the-day" myself. It was a good editor for the time. > To this I wrote: > > There is an Emacs mode (built in, > actually): wordstar-mode Command: Major > mode with WordStar-like key bindings. > > Is that the same? Sounds like it. Emacs has a wordstar-mode mode available. But that is not real Wordstar which was written in x86 assembly language. Emacs ws-mode was written by Juergen Nickelsen. The NEWS file says it has been removed with this note: *** tpu-edt.el, ws-mode.el These emulations of old editors are believed to be no longer relevant - contact emacs-devel@gnu.org if you disagree. At one time Wordstar was one of the very popular editors. Therefore having an emacs mode that used the same keybindings was also a somewhat popular way to allow people to use emacs but immediately be productive using keybindings that they already knew. But it is now twenty years later and I think very few people use Wordstar. George R. R. Martin not withstanding. (He is the very prolific Game of Thrones author and is well known as someone who writes everything he writes in Wordstar.) Therefore emacs wordstar mode is going to have a smaller user base too. > For the real deal tho one would get a Z-80 > CP/M emulator to run... or a time machine. Or an x86 running DOS. I am sure it would run fine under FreeDOS. > And then I got: > > Emacs? Good Lord! I thought you had to be > an over aged hippie to use that :-) > > ??? They are joking with you. They included a smiley to explicitly say they were joking. Don't make too much of it. Just smile and either say nothing or joke back. The implication is that people who learned emacs are all of the same generation. Hippies were usually stereotyped as being 20-something and "different". An older generation from the time of the hippie era. But add 20 years and now we would be an old hippie. Most people think of "My Generation" by The Who. But in this conversation maybe The Zimmers version applies better. The Zimmers "My Generation" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfFrCUrEbY Bob P.S. If you don't know the song here is original by The Who. The Who - My Generation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594WLzzb3JI