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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: prevent scroll-lock-mode from scrolling?
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:33:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160620083344.GC18825@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvmgpwf9.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de>

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 01:54:02AM +0200, lee wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

[...]

> > No, the problem is that your terminology is very different from what
> > we use in Emacs.  When you say "point moves", the usual meaning of
> > this is that point changes its buffer position.  But what you actually
> > mean is "cursor changes its screen position".
> 
> I was assuming that 'point' means the position where letters appear when
> I type, i. e. where the cursor is.

Yes, but the question is "relative to what"?

 Q: where are you?
 A: I'm here, in the middle of the living room

Now, if the question came from an intergalactic starship zipping
around at 0.95c, one would have to take Earth's exquisite dance
around itself, around the Sun, Sun's dance around... you get the
idea.

[...]

> The position of the cursor /within the buffer/ is irrelevant for where
> it is /on the screen/.  It is relevant to me where the cursor is /on the
> screen/ and /which buffer contents/ are around this screen position
> (because I want to see them).  It is pretty much irrelevant at which
> position /within the buffer/ the contents I want to see are.  I need
> them displayed on the screen in a desirable way, and when programming,
> the order and content of the lines I'm looking at are most of the time
> much more important than it is where within the buffer they are.  (It
> doesn't matter whether a function 'foo' is at line 500 or at line 5000
> as long as it is declared before being used (which isn't required, but
> it is what I do.))

The only sense I can make of that is: you don't want point to move
relative to the window *and* you don't want window to move relative
to buffer.

I know you can't mean that. At least it doesn't make sense to me,
because it would inhibit any movement. So I must be misundertanding
you.

regards
- -- t
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-20  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-17  1:12 prevent scroll-lock-mode from scrolling? lee
2016-06-17  1:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-06-17  4:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-17  6:00     ` Emanuel Berg
2016-06-17 22:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18  1:19         ` what to require (was: Re: prevent scroll-lock-mode from scrolling?) Emanuel Berg
2016-06-17 22:47   ` prevent scroll-lock-mode from scrolling? lee
2016-06-17  6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-17 23:10   ` lee
2016-06-18  8:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-19 23:54       ` lee
2016-06-20  8:33         ` tomas [this message]
2016-06-20 14:32           ` lee
2016-06-20 10:05         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2016-06-20 15:24           ` lee
2016-06-20 16:12             ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2016-06-20 19:50               ` lee
2016-06-20 14:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-20 21:21           ` lee

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