From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Where has the rwxr-xr-x gone from dired? Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:46:19 -0600 Message-ID: <20160619163616394176480@bob.proulx.com> References: <83bn2yc43u.fsf@gnu.org> <837fdlaopx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466376418 24008 80.91.229.3 (19 Jun 2016 22:46:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 20 00:46:54 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bElUT-0000Me-D0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 00:46:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bElUS-0002nO-O0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51671) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bElU1-0002mo-7g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:46:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bElTx-0004f9-Ud for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:46:25 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:47478) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bElTx-0004eo-PA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:46:21 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D53B6F for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B114421237 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7FA9E2DC4C; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <837fdlaopx.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110506 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > John Mastro wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Why from Cygwin? Native Windows ports of ls.exe do exist. > > > > My perception when I first started using this setup was that Cygwin was > > the easiest way to get a fairly complete Unix-like command line > > environment. > > Easiest doesn't always mean the best. My perception is that Cygwin has an active developer base that often participates on the GNU mailing lists and therefore Cygwin is more visible to the GNU community than other ports such as MinGW. I don't recall ever having seen a MinGW developer chatting about MinGW on the mailing lists I frequent. For example. As far as I can tell Cygwin tries really hard to create a Unix like environment on Microsoft Windows. If that requires making some things that a MS user might expect to be MS-like to be more Unix-like then that is what they do. Whereas MinGW tries really hard to port GNU utilities to Microsoft so that within the MS operating system the GNU utilities are available. As much as possible all MS-like features are preserved. As such these two projects have a different design vision. As far as I can tell this is the difference. If a person is coming from a Unix background and likes it then Cygwin provides a more Unix like environment. If a person is coming from a Microsoft background and likes it then MinGW provides a more Microsoft like environment. True? False? I don't know. But that seems to be the way of it as far as I can see. Says me who is happy I am not running Microsoft myself. Other people can do what they want. Bob