From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Reply to list [was: Different key maps in different dired buffers] Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:45:44 -0600 Message-ID: <20160615183436743494200@bob.proulx.com> References: <86zir1n347.fsf@student.uu.se> <8660tpmztw.fsf@student.uu.se> <87porxkl2r.fsf@quux> <8737orkbbl.fsf@quux> <20160605205812056555404@bob.proulx.com> <87inxjkis4.fsf@quux> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466037993 30474 80.91.229.3 (16 Jun 2016 00:46:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:46:33 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 16 02:46:22 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDLRu-0001Gq-7U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 02:46:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45812 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDLRq-0000uq-A3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDLRQ-0000uf-9n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDLRM-000841-9Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:45:52 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:43239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDLRM-00083b-2q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:45:48 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8336493B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367E12127F for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 06C382DC49; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87inxjkis4.fsf@quux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110455 Archived-At: Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Bob Proulx writes: > > That is the problem. It is available. People will use it. We can't > > stop people from posting to the news group. >=20 > Well, being a listmaster, actually, you could, I guess. I am not > familiar with GNU Mailman, but there must be sophisticated filtering > features. But that would be too radical solution, of course. I am sure you have heard the wisdom, "With great power comes great responsibility." I take that very seriously and try very hard not to abuse positions of responsibility. I would see unilaterally breaking off the newsgroup from the mailing list where it has been working for many years to be an abuse of that trust. As to your comment about Mailman having sophisticated filtering, actually no it doesn't. Mailman is actually pretty simple in terms of available features. But it is sufficient. Just barely. > Instead, I imagined, sending to anyone who posts via Usenet an > auto-reply mail that explains the problem and advises switching to Gman= e > might be feasible as a temporary measure. That would potentially create a lot of backscatter spam. Not good. Let's not do it. And for the people who solely use usenet the newsgroups appear to them to be the primary interface. It is completely symetrical and depends upon your point of view. > I=E2=80=99ve started to dig through GNU Mailman=E2=80=99s documentation= (which seems to > be not ready yet) to find something about auto-responder and ran across > a note that Mailman has NNTP support on its own. AFAIK Mailman 2 does not have NNTP support. Are you reading about Mailman 3 perhaps? I doubt there will be a migration to 3 anytime soon. The FSF would need to do it and everything about it is different. It would be large undertaking and time resources are not available for it. > Then I=E2=80=99ve searched the Web a bit and found a page [0] which hin= ts, that > usenet.stanford.org was blamed unfairly =E2=80=94 it is a mere Usenet s= erver, > while mail-to-news gating is done here, on gnu.org. >=20 > [0] https://www.gnu.org/usenet/usenet.html >=20 > Is that page still actual? Hmm... Very interesting. That is very possible. And since it is documented there I think very likely! But I think anyone who ever had anything to do with it has retired from the project. We will need to re-learn it. I will kick that over to the FSF admins and see what they say about it. Bob