From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Your latest commits on emacs-25 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20160420012845.GA4548@holos.localdomain> References: <83ega5bbzh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461115749 16823 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2016 01:29:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 20 03:29:03 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1asgws-0005Nf-4H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:28:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asgwr-0001cx-7v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asgwm-0001ZP-RX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asgwk-0001Hu-Kj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-x244.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244]:36859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asgwj-0001HI-BD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-x244.google.com with SMTP id u62so4836233ywe.3 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=jGQhTkXE2iluXacPANOwTeur+hC9XcDbcYCJSp/vpYk=; b=JtzCkkBdsMiiJSRYlidghxwHlhf1bk1Lle6dNy7jjSNBoOueQu/9+FBD9VBI0aou+Q 3V5JnQtmc+ORUeEkAYhY4AWFF/b9e7JduP7DLQdfpRLOUGjEBZ3FaUkzpmkz0125ij4m GgEAcLhqx3CaAjLpZ5S2U/QaW0Vb0TKOrllnq3Oas17bDmUtDwKq4jvHRXZpT4bLbfFw 8OrePqZQkmM8N3gkLusKWde9qMxyb0Kkv+hV+IAo55fUj0iuVuzGq7eioRB2dKpL/Cg1 4awAsJcyeepuiu+ltqUF8aHHRaTusjtM7+Eq+mExYotH18ZNFgILuIVbNqLcZ/jjSFtB pgyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=jGQhTkXE2iluXacPANOwTeur+hC9XcDbcYCJSp/vpYk=; b=Wbxc2SS2XH9chfa06n7ApP6y8AhvIgud57yHTviv95f3yznv2vo5KvYJ0NVRSF5yDu NGAd9/td5/DUh+ZB6z81ycSG4BHtpOtUrdRM0fZ4QcPAt8LVs3uozFG+MQuvd9ChnZhz pGrbe/Bfe8LOO8P1BGcJ4zcl8yK+H0JMu10vOqfMf8vrmCuy4LHQWam885TLrROOx0Dx a2PXUjjPDnR3lJ3/4QLl1qc8VJRC3BhnPZXAt7xRI9ekC4MeqZ2tEWRy/yxQc9T/hM4s 7MhjSFm4rEVy2L1MW5hz6tnFK3efhmqTD9BYzJZXPyMxweSugk942wZpSe48Albq+L6c BoxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXL4YtnntqJr77tKapOR6hHFz9KyXzU+0HxaNgx/q+0fDd++NJHi2IUjM6rXtb8EXcQ X-Received: by 10.129.102.132 with SMTP id a126mr3917295ywc.275.1461115727921; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from holos.localdomain (pool-96-227-83-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net. [96.227.83.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d68sm3806729ywe.53.2016.04.19.18.28.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE2C068839; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24+88 (2a73a6e7c6e7) (2015-08-30) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203111 Archived-At: On 19/04/16 at 09:28am, John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Mark, I don't understand why these commits: aa0d83a7, 0f332848, and ac00a92e > > -- were pushed to emacs-25 and not to master. The last one was a very old > > bug, we've been living with it since 2009. As for the other 2, I'm not sure > > I understand what problem they are solving, let alone why it was urgent to > > solve in 25.1. Can you explain? > > We haven't heard a response yet to our concern about making these changes on > emacs-25. If you could please let us know, that would be helpful; otherwise, > if there is no response by the end of the week, they will be reverted and > moved to master. They were pushed to emacs-25 because they are very small fixes, and they would be merged to master anyways. AIUI emacs-25 is fine for safe changes; these are small fixes which had patches on the list for some time (with the exception of aa0d83a, though it is the same kind of fix as the other in rect.el). If this is not the case, please advise. There has been much churn over what the purpose of the branches are, the rationale of which was neither explained nor clarified on the relevant thread on which I specifically recall mentioning what the status quo was and asking why it was being changed. It is pretty irritating to be jumped on for what are perhaps the least intrusive pushes of those I have made recently. This reads to me like a great example of the magnitude of a change being inversely proportional to the response--I would understand the inquiry if the referenced commits were adding new features or breaking things. They aren't, so alas, I don't understand it, and I can only hope there is some misunderstanding.