From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 18:10:05 +0000 Message-ID: <20160309181005.GF3948@acm.fritz.box> References: <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <56DE0F6A.6010207@cs.ucla.edu> <83pov5rmt6.fsf@gnu.org> <56DFD78F.40205@cs.ucla.edu> <56E06093.7050509@cs.ucla.edu> <83twkfo7ij.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457546870 26279 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 18:07:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 19:07:41 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adiWJ-0002Tg-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:07:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiWI-0007rE-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:07:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiWE-0007o2-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:07:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiWA-00010a-8g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:07:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:35065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiWA-00010K-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:07:30 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 90898 invoked by uid 3782); 9 Mar 2016 18:07:29 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548A46A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.138.70.161]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:07:27 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 11859 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Mar 2016 18:10:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83twkfo7ij.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201266 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 08:01:24PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Paul Eggert > > Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:43 -0800 > > As time goes on I expect more developers will gravitate to the new > > system where if you want to look at the change logs you run 'git > > log' or type 'C-x v l' or whatever floats your boat. > Which will bring them the same text with mistakes and omissions that > we see now. E.g., I see someone's contribution without the > paperwork-exempt tag -- how do I know if that person has an > assignment, and I'm just missing it somehow, or she doesn't and I;m > looking at someone's omission? Same with other blunders. > Who needs a history record one cannot trust? It's worse than having > no record at all. Maybe we should move to a version control system which permits commit messages to be amended. (Only half joking.) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).