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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `append' vs. `nconc'
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:22:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151231092253.GA19900@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wprvqnco.fsf@debian.uxu>

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 05:00:07AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
> writes:
> 
> >> OK, so for example this: (setq
> >> completion-ignored-extensions (append
> >> completion-ignored-extensions '(".bcf" ".run.xml"))
> >> ) Is better as: (nconc completion-ignored-extensions
> >> (list ".bcf" ".run.xml")) ?
> >
> > No. You should never use nconc only for effect (just
> > like delete, etc).
> 
> What do you mean by "effect"?

Side effect, the big lurking Monster for functional programmers:

  (defvar foo 15)

  (defun monster ()
    (setq foo 42))

  (monster)
  ;; now foo is 42: Gaaah!
  (message "%S" foo)

Nconc has a side effect: after calling it, many of the lists are
changed.

Side effects make things more "interesting", because now things depend
on the order of evaluation of things: it does matter, e.g. wheter you
evaluate the arguments of a function (call) left-to-right or right-to-left
(or random!). Things like that. The equivalent in C might be

  int i = 42;
  printf("%d %d %d\n", i++, i++, i++)

or the classic:

  a[i] = i++;

(which leads to undefined behaviour, because compiler writers need some
wiggling room to make efficient compilers!).

Sometimes you call functions because you *want* the side effect (aka
"calling for effect"), as in

  (message "Happy New Year!")

So-called "pure functional languages" have to go towards some "interesting"
contortions for that.

Regards
- -- tomás
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-31  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-28 16:35 Error: Setting the shell in sh-mode via a local variable does not work Johannes Kastl
2015-12-29  1:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-29 18:33   ` Johannes Kastl
2015-12-30 14:53     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 15:15       ` Robert Thorpe
2015-12-30 15:30         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 17:42         ` Johannes Kastl
2015-12-30 15:19   ` Teemu Likonen
2015-12-30 15:41     ` `append' vs. `nconc' (was: Re: Error: Setting the shell in sh-mode via a local variable does not work) Emanuel Berg
2015-12-30 16:37       ` `append' vs. `nconc' Teemu Likonen
2015-12-31  3:37         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1400.1451533083.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  3:45           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  4:00             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31  9:22               ` tomas [this message]
2015-12-31 18:48                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1402.1451534421.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  5:36               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  3:50         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1401.1451533833.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  5:37           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  7:13             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31  9:30               ` tomas
2015-12-31 17:56                 ` side effects, list sharing [was: `append' vs. `nconc'] Drew Adams
2015-12-31 19:00                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 19:15                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-01 13:20                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 18:51                 ` `append' vs. `nconc' Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1440.1451588113.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-01-01  2:53                   ` Barry Margolin
2016-01-01 13:26                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1406.1451546036.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-31  8:54               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-12-31  7:31           ` Teemu Likonen
2015-12-31 18:35             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-12-31 20:04               ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-01 13:23                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-01-01 14:02                   ` Teemu Likonen
2016-01-01 18:31                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1438.1451586967.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-01-01  6:25               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2016-01-01 13:31                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-01-01 15:04                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1353.1451490125.843.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-12-30 16:18       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon

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