From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22025: Emacs 25 corrupts Emacs 24 .emacs.desktop. Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:39:16 +0000 Message-ID: <20151127113916.GE1782@acm.fritz.box> References: <20151127083837.GB1782@acm.fritz.box> <83r3jbstgq.fsf@gnu.org> <20151127094718.GC1782@acm.fritz.box> <83io4nspv5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448624300 28565 80.91.229.3 (27 Nov 2015 11:38:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22025@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 12:38:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLq-0002ep-VJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:38:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55984 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLt-0004EB-EO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:38:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38175) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLp-0004C3-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:38:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLl-000655-U6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:38:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLl-000650-QK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:38:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLl-00044I-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:38:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22025 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22025-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22025.144862425115600 (code B ref 22025); Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22025) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2015 11:37:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55208 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HLH-00043U-22 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:37:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:24786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a2HKw-00042j-O7 for 22025@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 06:37:29 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 67298 invoked by uid 3782); 27 Nov 2015 11:37:09 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B146A65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.106.101]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:37:08 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 2974 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Nov 2015 11:39:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83io4nspv5.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:109336 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:47:18 +0000 > > Cc: 22025@debbugs.gnu.org > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > This would be a nice enhancement, but it certainly isn't a bug in my > > > book. > > I couldn't disagree more. Users should be free to update to Emacs 25, > > but it shouldn't be for us to force them. > ??? How's this forcing an upgrade? The issue won't exist until the > user, out of their free will, starts Emacs 25. Because people will "just try out" Emacs 25. That's what I always do with new Emacsen. Then before deciding to upgrade, they find that their .emacs.desktop won't work in their accustomed setups any longer (which is a horrible surprise), effectively forcing them to upgrade. [ .... ] -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).