From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Framework extending window functions for Follow Mode (etc.). Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:27:21 +0000 Message-ID: <20151110112721.GC2626@acm.fritz.box> References: <20151105192905.GA7986@acm.fritz.box> <20151107130748.GB1770@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447154758 6875 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 11:25:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:25:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 12:25:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw73c-0001Ff-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:25:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59020 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw73W-0003q6-NW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:25:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38461) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw73M-0003pz-TV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:25:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw73H-0001Ep-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:25:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:21393) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw73H-0001Dt-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:25:27 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 10813 invoked by uid 3782); 10 Nov 2015 11:25:25 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p579E9232.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.158.146.50]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3089 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Nov 2015 11:27:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193835 Archived-At: Hello, John. On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 02:30:09PM -0800, John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> Alan Mackenzie writes: > > This suggestion doesn't seem to have sparked off too much debate. Can I take > > it that people are generally happy about it? In that case, I will commit the > > change. > Hi Alan, > First, I want to say that I'm very sorry this change has generated so much > effort for you. This is highly suboptimal, since you could have spent that > time doing other things for Emacs. Thanks. I think that the way I've presented this change has been less than optimal in some way. If I were on the other side, I think I might be as wary/concerned/sceptical about the change as other people currently are. I've had some tips on this aspect from Juri. I'll see if I can follow them a bit better in the future. > Second, I don't know that your change is ready for master today, but I *am* > ready to exempt it from the feature freeze. So please keep it on a branch for > now, and we will continue the discussion. If we can reach a satisfying > implementation, it will be in 25.1. The change works. I have also amended several elisp manual pages, though these doc changes could use a review from other people. Technically, I believe the change is ready. > Would you be willing, one last time, to summarize the impact (from a > documentation perspective) of this change for Emacs users and for Emacs Lisp > developers? I think the *content* of the change is without reproach -- making > Follow Mode more valuable -- it is simply the form of the change that we need > more consensus on. Oh, OK. ;-) > Adding your proposal to the Emacs Wiki Proposals page > (http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Proposals) would be a good way to liberate the > current state of your work from this lengthy discussion, so I can look at it > again with fresh eyes. > With gratitude for your perseverance, > John -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).