From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: beginning-of-defun (again) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:29:47 +0000 Message-ID: <20151030232947.GB2287@acm.fritz.box> References: <56320200.4050503@online.de> <87twp951ug.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446247713 20137 80.91.229.3 (30 Oct 2015 23:28:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: andreas.roehler@online.de, ohwoeowho@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 31 00:28:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZsJ5p-0002lo-Hl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:28:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZsJ5o-0008P5-O8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZsJ5b-0008Ow-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZsJ5W-0003CD-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:49605) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZsJ5W-0003Bs-70 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 84918 invoked by uid 3782); 30 Oct 2015 23:28:00 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p579E84F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.158.132.246]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:27:59 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 2021 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Oct 2015 23:29:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192995 Archived-At: Hello, Richard. On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:13:56PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Is there a specific practical reason why it is important for the defuns in > > > init.el not to start in column 0? > > They are within macros controlling whether they are evaluated or compiled or > > not, based on available packages on the system. > I don't follow how that affects what column the openparen can be in. > Could you show what this looks like? I think what John's saying is that in circumstances such as: (eval-and-compile (defmacro foo ...... .... )) , the beginning of the defun (here a defmacro) for foo isn't at column 0, because Emacs Lisp Mode's indentation puts it to column 2. So a C-M-a will not find "(defmacro foo ...", which is sometimes irritating, particularly when there are several de\(fun\|macro\)s within one eval-and-compile. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) > Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).