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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "... the window start at a meaningless point within a line."
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:24:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151019112425.GD2438@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83d1wbgm95.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, Eli.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 01:56:22PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:45:07 +0000
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>

[ .... ]

> My problem is that you "flatten" the layout: where the actual layout
> is 2-dimensional, you make it 1-dimensional, and replace visual cues
> with those A2, L3 markers, that I can never remember which one is
> which.  Reasoning about VERTICAL motion while using a HORIZONTAL
> diagram doesn't help, either.

> So if you want to use diagrams, let's make them reflect the screen
> layout, like this:

>   B--------------------WS----------
>   A--------------------L1----------
>   A2------\n
>   C---------------------------\n
>   C2-------------------------\n

> etc., where a line without a \n at the end is continued on the next
> one.

> With this arrangement, the symbol's at the left can be discarded, and
> we only need the ones that are in the middle of the lines.

> If it's easier for you to have the lines start at WS and L1 instead of
> B and A, that's okay, too; we should just agree which convention we
> use.

I think I'd prefer to have the "actual" BOLs at the LHS.  But the
symbols at the left are still useful for discussion about a scenario.
For point, `it', and target, I suggest we write these below the line
they apply to, even though they look a little ambiguous there.  So, how
about this:

8. nlines = 3:
      B-------------------------------
WS----A-------------------------------
L1----A2------------------------------\n
   ^
C-------------------------------------
C2------------------------------------\n
it
C3------------------------------------
T

?

Here, point starts between L1 and A2, our target BOL is C3 (3 actual
BOLs after L1) and Fvertical_motion puts `it' at C2 (3 xdisp BOLs after
A).

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-19 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 20:45 "... the window start at a meaningless point within a line." Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01  8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01  9:41   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01 10:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 11:02       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01 12:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 16:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-15 18:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-15 20:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16  9:55               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 10:19                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 15:19                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 17:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 20:46                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17  7:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17  7:56                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 21:14                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 17:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 18:12                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 18:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 20:12                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17  8:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 11:57                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17 12:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 13:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 14:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 15:00                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 17:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 10:27                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 13:40                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 17:35                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 18:33                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-27 18:23                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-28  8:58                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 13:15                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-31 13:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-31 21:17                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01  3:40                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 14:45                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01 15:23                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01 17:45                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:07                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:46                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 14:53                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 17:46                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 10:45                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 10:56                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 11:24                                         ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2015-10-19 11:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 12:02                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 12:33                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:11                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 13:27                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 19:15                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 13:46                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17 15:30                               ` Alan Mackenzie

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