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From: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
To: eliz@gnu.org
Cc: handa@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: how reliable is rendering of complex scripts?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 11:40:17 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151004.114017.420424381.wl@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pp0v0zh8.fsf@gnu.org>

>> The nice thing about `hb-shape' is that it doesn't output graphics
>> but a textual representation of the GSUB and GPOS manipulation
>> results (including reordering of the input).  In other words, Emacs
>> could use the same output format in a special test mode, making
>> comparisons very simple – and automated!
> 
> Too bad.

Hmm.  I consider this as a benefit, since comparison of images is much
harder, especially if the exact environment differs.  In particular,
for two identical, correct GSUB/GPOS representations of a text string,
you can easily get different rendering results for GDI and DWrite
ClearType (on Windows), normal grayscale rendering and auto-hinting
from FreeType, grayscale rendering on older Windows versions and Mac
OS X, different color filters used on different platforms etc., etc.

> It means these tests cannot be easily used by Emacs, because [...]

Well, if you need graphic output, use `hb-view', which creates images
of text strings.

> Perhaps a good first step would be for someone to produce pictures
> of the rendered texts from those tests (using Harfbuzz or anything
> else that can be used as reference), and then we could compare that
> with what Emacs produces for the same texts, and see how good or bad
> we are doing.

This is *exactly* what should be avoided IMHO.  It's both far too much
work and too imprecise.


    Werner

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-04  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-02  5:39 how reliable is rendering of complex scripts? Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-02  7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-04  4:39   ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-04  7:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-04  8:09       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-04  9:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-04  9:40           ` Werner LEMBERG [this message]
2015-10-04  9:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-04 18:06       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-04 19:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-04 21:43           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-05  6:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-05 18:18               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-05 19:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-06 16:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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