From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:12:57 +0200 Message-ID: <20150913081257.GE13716@tuxteam.de> References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> <20150911054233.GC27653@tuxteam.de> <87a8ssij7k.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442131996 26778 80.91.229.3 (13 Sep 2015 08:13:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:13:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 10:13:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PP-0002UZ-DV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:13:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34891 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PO-0002u4-LE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 04:13:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PF-0002tv-9d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 04:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PC-00040F-4L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 04:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:53773 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PB-000409-Ur for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 04:12:58 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb2PB-0003vz-4s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:12:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a8ssij7k.fsf@debian.uxu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107191 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 02:18:07AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > writes: > > > See [1] for the historical perspective. Without Lisp > > machines there'd be no Smalltalk (and most of the OO > > craze these days). > > The 90s rather. > > > Java owes a lot to Lisp. > > That doesn't show :) I wasn't thinking about the "taste" department [1]. They have accumulated quite a bit of interesting stuff in terms of JIT, optimization and so on -- but definitely the Big Enterprise Way, usually by throwing tons of (mostly fungible) developers and money at it. Have a look at Mike Pall's LuaJIT to see that this can be done differently. OTOH I'm sure Mike Pall's path would have been more dangerous and difficult had it not ben blazed earlier (bulldozed?) by the Java JIT people. But the pioneers on this path? Self & al. Again Lisp. [1] I don't want to discuss taste & Java in one context. I've just had breakfast. - -- t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlX1MAkACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZMmACfZmVkl/5aXEmyby6n4EOYmVvV vOcAn1/rDnWynyG51kGe+vnyeUzdHffC =yQa7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----