From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 09:50:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20150913075049.GC13716@tuxteam.de> References: <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87zj0s5yc8.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87vbbg5rat.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442130666 8685 80.91.229.3 (13 Sep 2015 07:51:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 09:51:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb241-0005nT-Rd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 09:51:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34858 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb241-0008Sg-2P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 03:51:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57733) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb23r-0008SY-Ec for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 03:50:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb23o-0004gd-AF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 03:50:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:53726 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb23o-0004gZ-3x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 03:50:52 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb23l-0003mO-SF; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 09:50:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87vbbg5rat.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107189 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 04:01:46AM +0200, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > Emanuel Berg writes: > > > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > > writes: > > > >> No Smalltalk -> no lisa -> no Macintosh -> no > >> MS-Windows and no NeXTSTEP (Apple would be dead by > >> now) -> MacOSX -> no iPad/iPhone. > >> > >> No Java -> no Android. > >> > >> Imagine if the bitmap displays were only used on > >> high end workstations for scientific data > >> representation, and in low-end PC for games. > >> > >> Most PC would still work with text screens. > > > > Did Smalltalk have any positive consequences as well? > > No Smalltalk -> no Lisa. Modula-2. Oberon. (Niklaus Wirth acknowledges the inspiration to his stay at PARC). Whatever. Much fun in computing anyway (anyone remember the Byte Magazine cover to Smalltalk, with the colorful balloon? Sigh. That old) - -- t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlX1KtkACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbzsQCeMnsV4gJx/dCabFbZZwfqWZqO b/gAn17Kq+ORflMmJB/TWllp9Q4DlXJR =1igD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----