From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 07:42:33 +0200 Message-ID: <20150911054233.GC27653@tuxteam.de> References: <87bndfauey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87wpw0e58f.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87si6n822t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87oaha9a64.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441951614 29056 80.91.229.3 (11 Sep 2015 06:06:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 06:06:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 08:06:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaHTy-0007O9-Eq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:06:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54236 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaHTx-00053q-Uh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 02:06:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34877) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaH6e-0003LB-8n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaH6Z-0006iH-Md for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:42:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:47686 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaH6Z-0006i4-E1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:42:35 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaH6Y-0007TU-14 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 07:42:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87twr1pycd.fsf@debian.uxu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107148 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 02:57:06AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > writes: > > >> Why don't you do a Lisp OS with Lisp-only software? > > > > Time. Money. > > OK, what I meant was actually again why Lisp is so > marginalized. Not only in "industry" (yuk, that is > a stupid word) but also in the systems we use every > day [...] See [1] for the historical perspective. Without Lisp machines there'd be no Smalltalk (and most of the OO craze these days). Emacs itself is an echo of those Lisp machines. Java owes a lot to Lisp. Just go digging and you''ll find Lisp roots everywhere. The fact is that Market Forces and the Invisible Hand always chooses wisely the best altenative (excuse my snark, had a bad day yesterday ;-) [1] Regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXyackACgkQBcgs9XrR2kb2GwCfZSj4tWEb7bMr+BeVY+kg3Imv RiUAnR8GcUhMmJCS/BC8i5ucFtDVJULT =QG3u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----