From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zack Piper Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please stop putting curly quotes into doc strings! Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 09:15:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20150906071532.GA4425@apertron.net> References: <55EA4821.2050401@yandex.ru> <55EBC5B8.80208@cs.ucla.edu> <0b657423-49dc-42fa-9b45-49e3dd49ad0c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441523761 30162 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 07:16:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 07:16:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 06 09:15:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYUB6-0007CE-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:15:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45775 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYUB6-0007oK-3G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 03:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60487) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYUAu-0007o6-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 03:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYUAp-00071X-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 03:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from apertron.net ([94.23.236.101]:45541) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYUAp-00071F-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 03:15:35 -0400 Original-Received: by apertron.net (Postfix, from userid 30061) id 9753760004; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 09:15:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=apertron.net; s=mail; t=1441523733; bh=yPdocGb/H9jrGWCBxhnenX7FacLdN0tdy79fKvUtjIQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Rgag0oL8i8DLdbsuTIlz+Nk95FMqMT8kTGDq6xjOIyZPS303Qch1z74K1IPaIijcS wOrmaJPlccbxpMQnWu3vCQUEt6idVrK31p+fBUCv2h2klPeicDkLIAaofY3hYx3kZI 8a8qvpwQcrAbnThOe8aEtRWW7SJfIyGWhmbx9weo= Original-Received: from apertron.net (apertron.net [94.23.236.101]) by apertron.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C535FF95 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 09:15:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=apertron.net; s=mail; t=1441523733; bh=yPdocGb/H9jrGWCBxhnenX7FacLdN0tdy79fKvUtjIQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Rgag0oL8i8DLdbsuTIlz+Nk95FMqMT8kTGDq6xjOIyZPS303Qch1z74K1IPaIijcS wOrmaJPlccbxpMQnWu3vCQUEt6idVrK31p+fBUCv2h2klPeicDkLIAaofY3hYx3kZI 8a8qvpwQcrAbnThOe8aEtRWW7SJfIyGWhmbx9weo= Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0b657423-49dc-42fa-9b45-49e3dd49ad0c@default> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+113 (34ca1c5fdd45) (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 94.23.236.101 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189644 Archived-At: On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 10:05:43PM -0700, Drew Adams wrote: > > > Those that represent symbol quotations in doc strings should be removed. > > > > They work fine just as they are, and in some ways they work better than the > > straight quotes do. Users can see them as straight quotes if they like. > > > > There is not a strong argument for removing them. > > No strong argument was ever given for adding them. > > There was never _any_ argument given for adding them, beyond > your complaint that you find `...' ugly. > > You've turned Emacs upside down and inside out, to make it do > what you want. Users and Emacs Dev will be dealing with the > aftermath for a long time to come. Alas, no one stopped you > in your crusade, so here we are. > As I agree that we didn't really need to change quotes at all (and I prefer the "old style" quotes) I don't think that level of hostility was really needed. However, I am now curious if there is other examples of "Emacs being turned upside down and inside out" that Paul has participated in. -- Zack Piper http://apertron.net