From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:23:45 +0000 Message-ID: <20150902172345.GF2544@acm.fritz.box> References: <55E3F434.2060507@yandex.ru> <55E496DC.1030608@cs.ucla.edu> <877foas9jh.fsf@gmail.com> <20150901190014.GB1997@acm.fritz.box> <20150902100252.GC2544@acm.fritz.box> <55E724AA.30301@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441214588 3906 80.91.229.3 (2 Sep 2015 17:23:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 02 19:23:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXBkQ-0000XQ-E9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 19:22:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39824 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXBkP-0000jf-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:22:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49323) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXBkA-0000jR-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXBk8-0006dh-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:48891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXBk7-0006dK-ON for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 19879 invoked by uid 3782); 2 Sep 2015 17:22:38 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B147729.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.119.41]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 19:22:36 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 8092 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Sep 2015 17:23:45 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55E724AA.30301@cs.ucla.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189480 Archived-At: Hello, Paul. On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 09:32:42AM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Using my standard font, lat1-16, the curly quotes use the same glyphs as > > ` and ', hence are visibly indistinguishable from them. > That's no longer true as of yesterday's master commit > 1a3518e7c361a9ceaa017c1334a83d14e0651a4e. I'm afraid it is still true. After doing a C-h f c-mode, apparent quotes were in the buffer. Checking them with C-u C-x =, they were indeed curly quotes, but were displayed the same as ASCII quotes. > On a terminal that cannot display curved quotes, ... Currently, my terminal is not such a one. It _can_ display curly quotes, but only identically to ASCII quotes. `char-displayable-p' returns 'unicode for them. The issue is not so much whether a terminal can display curly quotes, rather it's whether a user wants them to be used or not. > .... Emacs master now uses different glyphs for the quotes’ ASCII > replacements, because the replacements are shadowed. The shadowed > glyphs are easily distinguishable on my Linux console. Users > shouldn’t need to configure Emacs specially, or their Linux console > specially, to get this behavior. So this objection no longer applies. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).