From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: text-quoting-style Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:05:52 +0000 Message-ID: <20150902090552.GA2544@acm.fritz.box> References: <20150828172501.GB4882@acm.fritz.box> <20150829155959.GA20484@acm.fritz.box> <20150830131613.GA2724@acm.fritz.box> <20150831200149.GA2280@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441184818 22907 80.91.229.3 (2 Sep 2015 09:06:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 02 11:06:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZX40B-0001gD-1b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:06:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35484 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZX40B-00067m-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 05:06:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56451) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZX3yO-0003VM-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 05:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZX3yJ-0001ff-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 05:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:64834) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZX3yI-0001fD-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 05:04:47 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 2209 invoked by uid 3782); 2 Sep 2015 09:04:45 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B147729.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.119.41]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:04:44 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2597 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Sep 2015 09:05:52 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189450 Archived-At: Hello, Richard. On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 06:55:42PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > And text-quoting-style is no solution for you either, since Emacs's > > source code and many other documents will still come with those pesky > > thingies. > There should not be curly quotes in Emacs source code on a regular > basis. They might appear the definition of 'format-message' and/or > 'prettify', but those are very special cases. > Are there currently curly quotes in other places than that? $ grep '?' *.[ch] , where ? is the left curly quote (entered by holding down whilst typing 2, 0, 1, 8 on the numeric keypad), in our src directory shows 20 matches. Most, possibly all, of these seem to be to do with the manipulation of the curly quotes themselves. $ find . -name '*.el' | xargs grep '?' | wc -l show 985 matches for left curly quote in the lisp source files. I find this concerning. Curly quotes aren't on any standard keyboard layout. The general notion of how you're meant to edit files containing them is to enable a minor mode whereby typing ` or ' sometimes does self-insert-command, other times inserts a curly quote. isearch is being modified so that (?sometimes) entering ` or ' in the search string will match the curlies. I don't find these workarounds at all attractive. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) > Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.