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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: text-quoting-style
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:05:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150902090552.GA2544@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ZWuSs-0007dm-IT@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hello, Richard.

On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 06:55:42PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

>   > And text-quoting-style is no solution for you either, since Emacs's
>   > source code and many other documents will still come with those pesky
>   > thingies.

> There should not be curly quotes in Emacs source code on a regular
> basis.  They might appear the definition of 'format-message' and/or
> 'prettify', but those are very special cases.

> Are there currently curly quotes in other places than that?

$ grep '?' *.[ch]
, where ? is the left curly quote (entered by holding down <AlgGr>
whilst typing 2, 0, 1, 8 on the numeric keypad), in our src directory
shows 20 matches.  Most, possibly all, of these seem to be to do with
the manipulation of the curly quotes themselves.

$ find . -name '*.el' | xargs grep '?' | wc -l
show 985 matches for left curly quote in the lisp source files.  I find
this concerning.

Curly quotes aren't on any standard keyboard layout.  The general notion
of how you're meant to edit files containing them is to enable a minor
mode whereby typing ` or ' sometimes does self-insert-command, other
times inserts a curly quote.  isearch is being modified so that
(?sometimes) entering ` or ' in the search string will match the
curlies.

I don't find these workarounds at all attractive.

> -- 
> Dr Richard Stallman
> President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
> Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
> Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-02  9:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-28  2:03 text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28  5:22 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-08-28  7:06 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  7:37   ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  7:54     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  8:42       ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 14:39         ` text-quoting-style Yuri Khan
2015-08-28 14:49           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:00         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:31           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:39             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:48               ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  7:29 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:42   ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 17:25     ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-28 17:48       ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 18:28         ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-29 14:54       ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 15:59         ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-30  1:59           ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 13:16             ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31  1:30               ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31  6:29                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 20:13                   ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 21:29                     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 12:47                       ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:27                         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:07                           ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 18:35                           ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 23:58                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  9:09                               ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 15:13                                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:44                           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01 19:08                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 13:46                       ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 16:28                         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:08                           ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 17:34                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:30                               ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  0:07                                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:27                                   ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 15:35                               ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-08-31 20:01                 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01  3:31                   ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01  9:28                     ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 10:53                       ` text-quoting-style Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 13:03                     ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:46                       ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 20:41                         ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-01 23:47                           ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:18                             ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  0:35                               ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:53                                 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  6:57                             ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-02 15:17                               ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:36                                 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41                                 ` text-quoting-style Bastien Guerry
2015-09-01 22:55                     ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-09-02  9:05                       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2015-08-31 16:10       ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-08-31 17:31         ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 19:34           ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-09-03 15:29             ` text-quoting-style raman
2015-08-31  6:15     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert

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