From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: text-quoting-style
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 18:35:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150901183545.GA1997@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E5D1E6.9040003@cs.ucla.edu>
Hello, Paul
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:27:18AM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> It's what Emacs does now, and it works well enough. And the basic idea
> >> >isn't a new principle: Emacs has done it for decades for many ASCII
> >> >characters, e.g., HT. So it is not a problem in practice.
> > It will be a problem in practice. It will by lying about what character
> > in the buffer the glyph on the screen represents.
> Again, there's nothing new here: Emacs has been "lying" in that way for decades
> for HT and for several other ASCII characters, and it works in practice.
Pure sophistry.
> > It will be ambiguous: seeing a ' on the screen leaves it doubtful
> > what the corresponding character in the buffer is. Current uses of
> > display tables aren't used to confuse users.
> That's easily enough fixed. I installed the attached patch, which uses shadow
> glyphs for quote substitutions in ASCII-only displays.
I don't know what shadow glyphs are, and don't particularly care - they're
irrelevant. As I've said more times than I can count, the problem is
that curly quotes are used in help buffers, messages, etc., not the way
they get displayed. I solved that problem by introducing
`text-quoting-style', and you have reintroduced the problem by removing
`text-quoting-style'.
Please come up with an actual solution, not an irrelevance. Or else put
`text-quoting-style' back again.
> If you prefer underline or some other glyph face on your console please
> feel free to change the code.
> >> text-quoting-style doesn't do anything for info files, or
> >> for other text files containing curved quotes.
> > That's an argument for an additional facility for Info not one for
> > getting rid of `text-quoting-style', unless the replacement can do
> > the job of `text-quoting-style'.
> The additional facility I proposed would work for info, and would also work for
> *Help* buffers and diagnostics
For what value of "work"? Will it enable the quoting behaviour to be
configured to be the same as in Emacs-24.5? It not, it's no good.
>and would render text-quoting-style unnecessary.
`text-quoting-style' is necessary. Please put it back, or replace it
with something which works properly.
[ patch read and snipped ].
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-28 2:03 text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 5:22 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-08-28 7:06 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 7:37 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 7:54 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 8:42 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 14:39 ` text-quoting-style Yuri Khan
2015-08-28 14:49 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:00 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:31 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:39 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:48 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 7:29 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:42 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 17:25 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-28 17:48 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 18:28 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-29 14:54 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 15:59 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-30 1:59 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 13:16 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 1:30 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 6:29 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 20:13 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 21:29 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 12:47 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:27 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:07 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 18:35 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2015-09-01 23:58 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 9:09 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 15:13 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:44 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01 19:08 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 13:46 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 16:28 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:08 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 17:34 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:30 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 0:07 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:27 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 15:35 ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-08-31 20:01 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 3:31 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 9:28 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 10:53 ` text-quoting-style Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 13:03 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:46 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 20:41 ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-01 23:47 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:18 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 0:35 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 0:53 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 6:57 ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-02 15:17 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:36 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41 ` text-quoting-style Bastien Guerry
2015-09-01 22:55 ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 9:05 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 16:10 ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-08-31 17:31 ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 19:34 ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-09-03 15:29 ` text-quoting-style raman
2015-08-31 6:15 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
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