From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: text-quoting-style Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:16:13 +0000 Message-ID: <20150830131613.GA2724@acm.fritz.box> References: <83r3mn50rz.fsf@gnu.org> <20150828172501.GB4882@acm.fritz.box> <20150829155959.GA20484@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440940539 22786 80.91.229.3 (30 Aug 2015 13:15:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 30 15:15:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZW2SF-0005HL-Gq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:15:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZW2SF-0002aj-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZW2S1-0002ab-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZW2Rx-0005he-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:31153) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZW2Rx-0005gS-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 67998 invoked by uid 3782); 30 Aug 2015 13:15:07 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p579E98A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.158.152.164]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:15:06 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2776 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Aug 2015 13:16:13 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189317 Archived-At: Hello again, Stefan. On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 09:59:05PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Let me try again: the flag text-quoting-style enables a user to control > > the handling of the curly quotes in her Emacs. > That describes what text-quoting-style does. Not why we need it. > > I believe such flexibility to be needed. > Here you just state that we need it with no justification. OK, let's try a third time. A user should have control over the handling of curly quotes in her Emacs. I take that as a given, scarcely needing justification - Emacs is, in its very essence, a configurable program, adaptable to user needs and preferences. Strong opinions about preferences with regard to curly quotes have been expressed recently on emacs-devel. This is an indication that we need ways of configuring curly quotes. But if justification is wanted, I think I would not ever again update my Emacs if that meant being forced to have these curly quotes in my buffers. It's quite likely other people feel as strongly about it as I do. The current and only mechanism for controlling these curly quotes is text-quoting-style. Therefore, either text-quoting-style must stay, or some other method of implementing curly control must be implemented to replace it. Note that the locale is not a suitable tool for controlling curlies - when one needs a locale with more than ASCII, yet doesn't want curly quotes, it is likely to be difficult, too difficult, to find a suitable locale which excludes the curly quotes. If this answer still isn't adequate, please give me solid pointers as to what's inadequate about it, and I'll see what I can do. > Stefan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).