From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: text-quoting-style Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:25:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20150828172501.GB4882@acm.fritz.box> References: <83r3mn50rz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440782671 26606 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2015 17:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 19:24:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZVNO1-0008KI-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:24:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49163 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZVNO0-0008Ax-I2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZVNNj-0008Aa-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZVNNf-0007ZL-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:24851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZVNNf-0007YW-NR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 25563 invoked by uid 3782); 28 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B146F1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.111.29]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:23:56 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 5442 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Aug 2015 17:25:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189279 Archived-At: Hello, Stefan. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:42:37PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Eli says: > > For users who don't want the Unicode characters, even though their > > display can show them. Given the controversy, I think this is > > justified. > David says: > > Display table tricks will not help with copy&paste to external > > applications and with files processed by any program rather than Emacs. > Paul says: > > As I understand it, Alan introduced text-quoting-style because he did not > > want curved quotes in any buffer or string, even curved quotes displayed as > > grave accent and apostrophe. This is abolutely correct. :-) > IIUC, all these are guesses or hypothetical needs. So it looks like > there is no really good reason for that config variable. Paul's assertion I have just confirmed. Unless I've missed or misunderstood some development in the last two months or so, the need for `text-quoting-style' still exists: if we're going to be doing clever things to make ` and ' get converted, or appear to get converted, into curly quotes, then a user must be able to enable/disable this conversion. > At the very least it should not be a Custom var. How could it be sensible not being a custom variable? It's for user customisation. > And unless someone comes up with a better, first-hand reason, we should > get rid of it. The reason for its existence still holds. Or is there some other mechanism which achieves the same thing? > Stefan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).