From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: help in same window + =?iso-8859-1?Q?c?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?olorful_help_+_Bl=FCmchen?= Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:55:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20150710035558.GB30038@tuxteam.de> References: <87lhera8kl.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150707234519.25862.069DDC4F@ahiker.mooo.com> <20150708070357.GA18527@tuxteam.de> <87fv4z2aov.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150708111326.GA29589@tuxteam.de> <87si8yesv7.fsf@web.de> <20150708125601.GA32537@tuxteam.de> <87bnfmjmf1.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150709062758.GA29164@tuxteam.de> <87fv4xj7s0.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436500596 19932 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2015 03:56:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 03:56:36 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 05:56:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPQB-0001kZ-Cq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:56:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42889 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPQA-0004xs-SU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55723) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPQ0-0004xj-V7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:56:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPPx-0004yU-Op for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:34092 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPPx-0004vR-JM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDPPq-00082Y-MQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:55:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87fv4xj7s0.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105575 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > writes: [...] > > Yeah, relativist and proud of it. It's the > > (absolutely ;-) only thing I'm absolute about. > > Absolutely :) > > Here is what I would do: I'd do five distinctly > different themes, then make an example screen with > each, why not with Gnus and Emacs-w3m like in my > example dump, but that isn't important. Then I'd show > those five screens to some 500 people [...] 500 Java programmers? Lisp programmers? Bus drivers? Swedes? Indonesians? Boy scouts? Born 1940? Born 1970? 2005? I think you get my idea: and if you want a good cross-section you'll need *far* more than 500. This is something Apple or Microsoft do, for sure, but they can afford to dump 'couple of millions on it for each OS release -- and still get wrong, if you go by the whining a Windows release causes (remember ribbon?). Luckily I can only tell that from hearsay :) Still I think you're onto something here: perhaps it'd be possible to have some "best of": organize some "theme contest" (I'm using theme sloppily here, just as a set of customizations) and tout the n "winners" for some small n (because I guess that the distribution is going to be strongly multi modal) How would that be different from what we have now? BTW: I'm off the net for a couple of months, so I'm dropping now off this interesting conversation quite abruptly. Sorry. regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlWfQk4ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kb32gCfbEje8e8jKiONJv52zPrwolNI OmUAni63xbNE6XzWfRF//sVNN/P7ZH2W =pECT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----