From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <20150616221810.GB3403@acm.fritz.box> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vbeoh3xm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434493086 6243 80.91.229.3 (16 Jun 2015 22:18:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 17 00:17:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4zB0-0005q4-Ap for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:17:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43039 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4zAz-0007Dt-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35811) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4zAs-0007Ce-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:17:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4zAp-0004q1-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:17:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:24435) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4zAo-0004pa-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:17:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 68765 invoked by uid 3782); 16 Jun 2015 22:17:35 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548A4A1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.138.74.30]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:17:34 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 11121 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Jun 2015 22:18:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87vbeoh3xm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187224 Archived-At: Hello, Stephen. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:50:29AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > And Alan *is* a reactionary .... Yes. It's a time consuming and thankless task, but somebody's got to do it. > .... and a curmudgeon, .... I take exception to this. It's distinctly unparliamentary language, it's an uncalled for ad hominem. Outside of free software, you don't even know me. Please look up the word's meaning if you need to, and then don't use it again unless you really do mean it. > .... quick to oppose changes he doesn't initiate himself .... This is untrue. > ....and well-set in his ways. There's nothing inherently wrong with > those latter characteristics. It's just that catering to Alan here > indeed does cost others an opportunity to improve their environments, > and offer that improvement to those in the middle. Emacs has options. In fact, it might be truer to say Emacs _is_ options. We are all able enough to make new behaviours and deviations from standard behaviours optional. The pertinent new behaviour is not different in this respect. [ .... ] > Steve -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).