From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Control-C conundrum Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 11:45:58 -0600 Message-ID: <20150606113041423449103@bob.proulx.com> References: <20150604001736.GA1917@mail.akwebsoft.com> <20150603222121607920564@bob.proulx.com> <87sia7n1a2.wl-lists@groll.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1433612789 11843 80.91.229.3 (6 Jun 2015 17:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 17:46:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 06 19:46:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1IAq-0004Cj-Ul for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 19:46:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52189 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1IAl-0002hW-FZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 13:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35467) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1IAb-0002hR-N3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 13:46:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1IAW-0004UK-Mu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 13:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:47774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1IAW-0004U6-6u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 13:46:04 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553552189C for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2015 11:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 437AB2DC4D; Sat, 6 Jun 2015 11:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sia7n1a2.wl-lists@groll.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104795 Archived-At: Jonathan Groll wrote: > No matter what keyboard you use, I've always thought that the idea is > to always use BOTH the left and right 'modifier' keys. So, what I am > saying is that should you want to type say 'C-p' then the left hand > presses the left control key and the right hand presses the P key. For > 'C-c' the right hand presses the right control key and the left hand > presses the C key. The fingers of one hand shouldn't be 'scrunched > up', and both hands should work in concert. > > Of course, if you swap control with caps-lock then there isn't a > caps-lock key on the right hand side of the keyboard, so I'm not sure > what folks do in that situation. Having typed for years on keyboards prior to the IBM PC keyboard with the multiple control keys I could only use the left pinky for the control key. The vt100 doesn't have a control key on the right side for example but only one on the left. Therefore my habits were already set by the time a right control key became available. These days I mostly use the right control for the Compose key. I type relatively fast but have acquired some less than perfect habits over the years. C-b is the example for me. The 'b' key is a left pointing finger key. However with the left pinky on the control, especially on the older keyboards where control was left further outside of the capslock, that was quite a stretch! I got into the habit of using left pinky for control and right pointing finger for the 'b' key. That works great. Until you are on a split ergonomic keyboard. On those with C-b my right finger usually taps into a solid plastic spot with no key! That is my biggest worst bad habit for typing that always shows up on a split ergo keyboard. :-/ All habits can be learned and unlearned with practice. I am completely bilingual with regards to switching between emacs and vi for example. But I never picked up the Dvorak key layout. I never picked up using the right control or alt/meta. Some habits are deeper and harder than others. > I'm a happy Kinesis Advantage keyboard user, and that keyboard > promotes the above described usage of both sides of the keyboard. I'm > not sure how well the Advantage will work out with a thumb injury > though as you do use your thumbs quite a bit with it. Kinesis sell a > three pedal foot switch that works with their keyboards. I have friends who use that keyboard and also seem happy with it. Two of them use it in Dvorak key layout mode for double the benefit. Since I am using my trusty classic ThinkPad keyboard a lot I think it would be a hard thing for me to learn. And it is an expensive keyboard. Bob