From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [solved] Re: How to uninstall Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:05:14 -0600 Message-ID: <20150418135105440884001@bob.proulx.com> References: <87fv88q4t5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sic6stcg.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <20150411125610231765777@bob.proulx.com> <87lhhx7f6s.fsf@gmail.com> <874mojtxx5.fsf@debian.uxu> <5f29e7cb-f178-4eb1-85c7-e2bbc90f2677@googlegroups.com> <878udrlmm7.fsf@debian.uxu> <3f684967-5d47-43d9-8ffb-275c129203a8@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429387550 14838 80.91.229.3 (18 Apr 2015 20:05:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 20:05:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 22:05:37 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjYzg-00076A-3P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:05:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46719 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjYzf-0005Po-06 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58193) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjYzR-0005PX-1C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:05:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjYzM-0008OJ-Ge for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:05:20 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:33025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjYzM-0008O7-8M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168D421230 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E790D2DC45; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3f684967-5d47-43d9-8ffb-275c129203a8@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103842 Archived-At: Rusi wrote: > [To Bob] > > Any suggestions for making a victim (oops experimental) windows > running on a VM running on stock (debian/ubuntu) linux? I am fortunate that I don't need to work with MS-Windows. That means that I only know about it through hearsay. But you are wanting to run MS-Windows on GNU/Linux? Is that right? Why? If you are on MS-Windows and want to create a VM I hear good things about VirtualBox. However that name recognition does not extend in the reverse direction. VirtualBox on GNU/Linux is not very good. It was declared unsupportable by the Linux kernel folks a while back.[1] I don't think that situation has changed. So unfortunately people running on MS-Windows often have good results with VirtualBox there. Then they try to transfer that knowledge to running VirtualBox on a Linux kernel system and though it sometimes works the general experience isn't not great overall. I inherited a Fedora system running VirtualBox and I found the experience lacking. I eventually converted it to something different. [1] http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw > I dabbled in virtualbox for a while but could not get it to work. > [Actually dabbled too little to say for sure] VirtualBox on MS-Windows? Or on GNU/Linux? On a Linux kernel system my experience with it was not good either. > I guess the goto-point nowadays is VMWare? > There seem to be too many options... as usual... On GNU/Linux my reading of the two most popular free(dom) software virtualization systems is Xen and KVM. Xen has a longer history. KVM is the newcomer rising star. Which to pick? Probably the answer depends upon everything. I think there will be strong advocates for each. I think each can do the task well. The choice is yours. Personally I am running a libvirt encapsulation of KVM for my VM systems for both testing and production. It is robust and relatively simple to work with. But I know that someone running Xen would say the same thing. libvirt will encapsulate either. It is basically happy scripts to hide some of the underlying complexity. http://libvirt.org/ Bob