From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [solved] Re: How to uninstall Emacs? Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:41:49 -0600 Message-ID: <20150415152734176578287@bob.proulx.com> References: <878ue21nkc.fsf@gmail.com> <87fv88q4t5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sic6stcg.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <20150411125610231765777@bob.proulx.com> <87lhhx7f6s.fsf@gmail.com> <874mojtxx5.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429134357 17973 80.91.229.3 (15 Apr 2015 21:45:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:45:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 23:45:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiV85-0002SD-6t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:45:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34247 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiV84-0000C1-MW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:45:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41216) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiV4G-0007Y0-IY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:41:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiV4B-00035V-D0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:41:56 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:33522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiV4B-00035N-5S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C4B21838 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 171EA2DC42; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874mojtxx5.fsf@debian.uxu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103753 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > Bob Proulx writes: > > This is just one of the things that person running > > Sid Unstable is expected to know. Because Unstable > > isn't recommended for people who don't. > > That is a bit exaggerated especially if we talk > a computer for desktop use with no indispensible > service relying on the computer's > around-the-clock functionality. If you treat it as you are suggesting, as a victim system for testing and learning, then I agree. Play. Learn. > What you don't know you can learn by crashing the > computer because you didn't know it. If you do that, > you'll know for sure you didn't know it :) But the problem is that people don't actually do that very often. They don't learn first with a victim system and then work through the problems. Instead people run their critical production servers that way. They run their main desktops that way. And then when they have problems they complain that the OS is terrible, it crashed their desktop, they can't read their email, help!, and they sling enough mud at it. They can't wait to move off that terrible horrible distribution and move to the next one which is a thousand times better. Really! I see this all of the time! I decided to keep a log of problems on my Sid system. Without going into great detail since 2011-04-03 to the current day I have had 142 serious problems with Sid that required manual interaction to correct. Some of those are small problems. Some of those are very serious problems. Sid is the development and test environment for the Stable release. Many of the problems are related to package dependencies. Perhaps most of them. A Sid user needs to be skilled in identifying package dependencies, will need to hold packages, will need to manually install older versions of packages to avoid bugs, will need to explicitly choose newer versions to migrate across transitions. Sid has been frozen for six months or so as preparation for Jessie 8 being release. Jessie 8 is scheduled for relase in two weeks. After that Sid will be unfrozen after six months or so of freeze. That will open the floodgates. History is sometimes a good predictor of future behavior. If this unfreeze is similar to any of the previous unfreezes then there will be 3-4 months of serious thrash and breakage flood through Sid. There will be a lot of people who will say, "I have been using Sid solid for the last year and it has been great." Yes. For the last year. That was while it was in development and enterring freeze. They haven't seen the winter thaw of spring. We are in winter and everything is frozen. But Spring is coming![1] Bob [1] With apologies to Game of Thrones.