From: Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.berkeley.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 19993@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:52:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150313015215.GA32272@math.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83fv9a3wu0.fsf@gnu.org>
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 08:16:39PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> support these characters. This is now fixed in commit fc10058 on
> master. You should now be able to type "C-x 8 RET 1d400 RET" and see
> the character displayed.
>
> While at that, I also added the missing subranges that for some reason
> unknown to me were commented out; for many of them, I could verify
> that adding them makes the corresponding characters displayable by
> default, where they previously weren't. (I couldn't verify that for
> some of the scripts for which I have no fonts.) A few subranges were
> left out, and I added comments explaining why.
A lot of thanks!
> With that out of our way, part of the problem is solved. Part, but
> not all of it. Because it is true: Emacs searches the fonts installed
> on the system mostly by requiring only that the font supports the
> script to which the character belongs, but without opening the font
> and checking whether the specific character we are about to display
> has a glyph in the font. Here's the crucial piece of code (from
> fontset.c):
>
> /* Find a font best-matching with the spec without checking
> the support of the character C. That checking is costly,
> and even without the checking, the found font supports C
> in high possibility. */
So, this explains why U+2099, U+27e8, U+27e9 are not shown here (while
supported by a lot of fonts). Thanks for investigating this!
> Assuming that we want to become smarter about this, we could do one or
> both of the following:
>
> . have a database of fonts which are _not_ to be used for certain
> scripts, because it is known that their coverage is poor
>
> . have a more elaborate default fontset that favors specific fonts
> for scripts which these fonts are known to support well
>
Did you look into the link I provided (about how Firefox does it)?
http://search.cpan.org/~ilyaz/UI-KeyboardLayout/lib/UI/KeyboardLayout.pm#There_is_no_way_to_show_Unicode_contents_on_Windows
As my experiments show (I did not try to read the source code) the
logic of falling back goes this way:
• If document’s fonts can show a char, stop;
• If (user-configurable) fallback fonts for a Subset can show a
char, stop;
• If (user-configurable) universal fallback fonts can show a
char, stop;
• Otherwise, scan all fonts to find one supporting a char.
(The third case is the “x-unicode” pseudo-subset mentioned in the link
above.)
Emacs:
• Supports different fallbacks for different subsets;
• But it supports only one fallback font per character.
(Well, it allows specifying more than one font, but as you saw,
only one of them will be actually used — at least in the case
when the fonts would claim having chars in all the ranges — as
most of “good universal fonts” would do.)
The second one is a significant show-stopper, since it is very hard to
boil down things to one font.
Myself, I only use scripts with “simple shaping”, so all of my needs
are covered by 4 fonts:
DejaVu *
Symbola
Junicode
Unifont Smooth
(with Unifont Smooth last, since though I’m still working on
un-uglifying Unifont, there is a limit to algorithmic beautification,
and it is always going to be MUCH worse than all the
alternatives — when alternatives exist).
BTW, is font-family search caseless? Since last year, the family was
changed from
unifont
to
Unifont
(in the unifondry’s TTF distribution).
> One problem with both of these is that it's hard to recommend fonts
> because many good fonts are non-free.
For simple rendering (no shaping), there is a lot of possibilities.
Ilya
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-03 22:02 bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-04 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-05 21:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-05 22:05 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 11:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 16:21 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 21:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:13 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-07 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:45 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 8:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 8:46 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 16:29 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 20:32 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 4:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-11 19:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-12 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 1:52 ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2015-03-13 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 4:50 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-13 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:08 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-07 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:41 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 16:20 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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