From: Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.berkeley.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 19993@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 14:08:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150306220801.GA16266@math.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r3t1nax7.fsf@gnu.org>
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 10:11:32PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:21:36 -0800
> > From: Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.berkeley.edu>
> > Cc: 19993@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 04:00:27PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > Practically nothing “non-banal” is shown. Let me try… No U+1D49C,
> > > > U+2099 ₙ, U+1D552, U+27e8 U+27e9 ⟨⟩ (just looking into my recent
> > > > “real-life” file of notices).
> > >
> > > U+2099, U+27e8, and U+27e9 are displayed here (I have the STIX fonts
> > > installed, and they are used for that). The rest indeed aren't.
> >
> > > Do you have fonts installed that cover these codepoints?
> >
> > As I said, «Unifont Smooth» has everything in BMP of v7.0. Many fonts
> > (including «Symbola») have Math chars.
>
> Emacs on Windows needs a font to support the entire range of a script,
> or else it won't use the font. It finds out which scripts are
> supported by a font by looking at the fsUsb member of the
> FONTSIGNATURE structure for each font. See font_supported_scripts,
> and also font_matches_spec which uses it, for the details. So maybe
> the fonts you have don't announce in their signature that they support
> these Unicode ranges. E.g., U+1D49C is in "Mathematical ALphanumeric
> Symbols", whose subrange bit is 89 -- does Symbola set this bit in its
> font signature?
This does not make any sense… Before we go to the details of a font
structure, let’s discuss it semantically.
What can it mean that a font “supports a script”?
Theoretically, it may mean that
• it “knows” all the characters in the script, and
• has enough extra infrastructure to shape these characters
into a correct glyphic representation.
I may see that the second part may be described by one bit per
script. But what about the first one? A repertoir of a script
changes every year (sometimes several times per year). How can this
be encapsulated into a bit?
-------
But anyway:
• I open Symbola.ttf with fontforge;
• Go to Element⫽Font␣Info;
• Go to OS/2;
• Go to Charsets;
• And there, deep in the list, “Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols”
are highlighted.
AND: Symbola IS listed in `font-show-log'…
> Or maybe we could add some more heuristics to the code in w32font.c,
> to be smarter about font selection for Symbol script. I really don't
> know enough about all this stuff.
I’m not sure one can fix this mess incrementally….
Ilya
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-03 22:02 bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-04 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-05 21:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-05 22:05 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 11:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 16:21 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 21:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:13 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-07 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:45 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 8:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 8:46 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 16:29 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 20:32 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 4:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-11 19:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-12 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 1:52 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-13 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 4:50 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-13 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:08 ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2015-03-07 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:41 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 16:20 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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