From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: zsh outside of Emacs (was: Why do we need a number of different terminal modes in Emacs?) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:57:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20150209113714758327220@bob.proulx.com> References: <2015-02-07T12-48-06@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87egq1fnsp.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423508282 24641 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2015 18:58:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 09 19:58:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtWz-00045Q-43 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:58:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34652 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtWy-0007od-KT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:58:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtWh-0007kb-Lr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtWe-0003pp-GJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:57:43 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:58543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtWd-0003jT-U7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:57:40 -0500 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24FF2182B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:57:34 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A4022DC41; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:57:34 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102604 Archived-At: Karl Voit wrote: > Robert Thorpe wrote: > > Or does it mean you're using an unreleased version of > > Emacs? If it's the latter then that's probably the problem. > > The package is called emacs-snapshot. Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy was > providing no Emacs 24 to me. Therefore I installed the snapshot > package. There is no emacs-snapshot in Wheezy. Where did you pull the emacs-snapshot package from? When I heard you report that emacs crashed often for you I shrugged it off thinking you were probably using it on a foreign operating system. But then I was really surprised that you were using Wheezy. I use emacs on Debian Wheezy and Sid and it is rock solid for me. It has been literally years since I remember having seen an emacs crash. > > If not I'd try a different Emacs build. I'm using an old version of > > XUbuntu with an Emacs from some PPA and it works fine. > > Which Debian Wheezy packages from which source do you recommend? > > (I will not compile anything on my own any more since I wont > handle any compile errors or missing dependencies.) Debian Wheezy 7 shipped May 4th, 2013 with emacs v23. The upcoming Jessie 8 will release with emacs v24. For Wheezy 7 if you wish to use emacs 24 the best recommendation is probably to use a backported version backported from Jessie to Wheezy. http://backports.debian.org/ Basically add this to your sources.list file. deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free Then apply the backports target (-t wheezy-backports) when installing. apt-get -t wheezy-backports install emacs24 emacs24-common-non-dfsg However do note that installing a backport for something as large as emacs will pull in a lot of dependent libraries. That is fine. Upgrades to Jessie 8 will occur normally when upgrading. But when installing other applications the dependency chain may require including backports in the target list for other things, especially anything graphical, from then forward. Eventually when you upgrade to Jessie as the new Stable all of that is resolved and goes away. Personally I use emacs v23 on Wheezy 7 and have no complaints. In fact every upgrade for me causes me to need to spend a bunch of time and resources to understand the new changes and to make adjustments so that it continues to be usable for me. If I had the option to have a rock solid version of emacs over one that crashed regularly I would definitely choose the stable one! At some point everyone must ask themselves how much time can the spend chasing shadows? I recommend using the version with the Debian Stable release and then upgrading when the stable release upgrades. Of course the choice is yours. Bob