From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Voit Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: zsh outside of Emacs (was: Why do we need a number of different terminal modes in Emacs?) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:13:51 +0100 Organization: www.karl-voit.at Message-ID: <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <2015-02-07T12-48-06@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87egq1fnsp.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> Reply-To: Karl Voit NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423488679 2374 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2015 13:31:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 13:31:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 09 14:31:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoQn-0000Qu-Mz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:31:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32768 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoQn-00084j-8E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:31:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33490) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoQa-00084X-LA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:31:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoQV-0001SJ-Ku for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:31:04 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoAI-0002up-T2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:14:15 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YKoAD-0001Nd-WF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:14:10 +0100 Original-Received: from friends.grml.info ([136.243.234.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:14:09 +0100 Original-Received: from news1142 by friends.grml.info with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:14:09 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 72 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: friends.grml.info X-GPG-Key: http://www.Karl-Voit.at/Karl_Voit_GnuPG_public_key.gpg X-Registered-Linux-User: 224337 X-Confession: Pastafarian http://www.venganza.org/ User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102593 Archived-At: Hi! * Robert Thorpe wrote: > Karl Voit writes: > >> * Robert Thorpe wrote: >>> Karl Voit writes: >>> >>> You can use GNU Screen and Zsh and connect to them using M-x term. That >>> puts them within Emacs, but Screen should make things safe from Emac's >>> crashes. >> >> And what advantages would I get? > > You get to work inside Emacs and Screen should stop your terminals from > getting hosed when Emacs crashes. Sorry, I meant what advantages do I get compared to a separate Terminal emulation running my GNU screen sessions? I don't see much difference between Alt-TAB + XOrg-copy&paste and C-x b + Emacs-copy&paste >>>> Unfortunately, my GNU/Emacs tends to be very unstable[3] so that I >>>> have to kill and re-start it several times a day. I handle this by >>>> having a very tight auto-save-interval. Losing all of my open shell >>>> sessions would be a disaster. >>> >>> Have you bisected your init file? >> >> No. > > I have an MS Windows specific part of my init file and an Ubuntu specific > part. If you do the same then it could be a bug your Debian specific > part. It could also be a bug in Debian's site-start code, a lot of that > distro site-start code is old and crufty. OK. >> Most issues only appear in my "GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 >> (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.2) of 2014-01-01 on gkar, >> modified by Debian" and not in my GNU Emacs I use on Windows. >> >> Therefore I have the strong feeling that my Emacs backport for >> Debian/Wheezy is the cause for some issues. > > What's the 50 in 24.3.50.1? Is it a number used by Debian to do their > versioning? No idea. > Or does it mean you're using an unreleased version of > Emacs? If it's the latter then that's probably the problem. The package is called emacs-snapshot. Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy was providing no Emacs 24 to me. Therefore I installed the snapshot package. > If not I'd try a different Emacs build. I'm using an old version of > XUbuntu with an Emacs from some PPA and it works fine. Which Debian Wheezy packages from which source do you recommend? (I will not compile anything on my own any more since I wont handle any compile errors or missing dependencies.) -- All in all, one of the most disturbing things today is the definitive fact that the NSA, GCHQ, and many more government organizations are massively terrorizing the freedom of us and the next generations. http://Karl-Voit.at