From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:41:47 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20141206114147.GG19750@thyrsus.com> References: <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83mw722eit.fsf@gnu.org> <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <85vblpjfgx.fsf@stephe-leake.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417866166 20907 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 11:42:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 12:42:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxDl1-0003i4-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:42:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54120 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxDl0-00079Q-S8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:42:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51679) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxDkk-00078R-Kb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:42:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxDkf-0007q1-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:42:22 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:33014 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxDkf-0007px-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:42:17 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D9A2383550; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:41:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <85vblpjfgx.fsf@stephe-leake.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179155 Archived-At: Stephen Leake : > Karl Fogel writes: > > > The barrier to the documentation change is when people see senior devs > > pointing to etc/CONTRIBUTE as a fine place for dev documentation and > > think "Oh, so the project thinks that's okay? They point to that as a > > solution, rather than as a problem? I guess I'm in the wrong place." > > I have not seen anyone (other than you) state this. Potential developers look at things like this and they see a project that has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since before 1996. No one thing like this is a dealbreaker for any single person. It's the accumulation of such details that acts as a KEEP OUT sign. -- Eric S. Raymond