all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Obscure error/warning/information message from git pull
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 19:57:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141115195736.GB3378@acm.acm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3x4mszs.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hello, David.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 03:35:35PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> > So "git clone" is defined in terms of "clone".  Looks like a recursive
> > "definition" to me - part of what "git clone" does is to "clone[s] a
> > repository".  There then follows an incoherent list of the form "does
> > A, then does B, then does C, ...".

> > What is missing is a definition of "clone".  It would appear to mean
> > "make a partial copy of".

> No.  Your copy is a complete copy of everything you ask for.  If you
> don't clone a particular branch, for example, by using a single-branch
> clone, that branch will not magically be in your repository.

After a "git clone", the copy is not the same as the original.  In
particular, branches are not preserved.  I don't know, as yet, what else
fails to be copied, but I have no great confidence in the documentation
to tell me.

A branch foo in a repository degrades to remotes/origin/foo when that
repository is "cloned", and, failing special action to save it,
disappears altogether in a second generation "clone".

Thus in my repository .../emacs-24, "cloned" from .../master, the
emacs-23 branch is irretrievably lost.

"git clone" makes a partial copy of a repository.  It does not duplicate
it.  "Clone", as a verb, means "duplicate"; it never means "truncate".

> > Please correct me if I'm mistaken here, but I think my "git clone"ing
> > of the repository at savannah only partially copied that repository,
> > thus I have an incomplete copy of it.

> It depends on what you cloned.  It will clone exactly what you asked it
> to clone.  If you chose not to clone some branches, they will not be in
> your repository.

I chose to clone a repository.  git did not do this for me.

> > So git's concept of "distributed vcs" is that the repository is
> > collectively stored across many computers, as contrasted with bzr's
> > and hg's model where the complete repository is stored on each
> > participating computer.

> Nonsense.  _Everything_ you asked for is stored on your computer.  Git
> does not maintain any data off-computer.

This is confusing.  Is it the case that branches labelled
"remotes/origin/..." are completely contained within the same repository?

Is there anywhere in the git documentation, or elsewhere, which lists
what entities are preserved by "git clone", and which ones are deleted or
modified?

> > And a subsequent git checkout will require access, possibly net
> > access, to the repository from which the current one was copied, yes?

> No.  checkouts are a strictly local operation.

> -- 
> David Kastrup

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-15 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-14 12:06 Obscure error/warning/information message from git pull Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-14 13:10 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-14 13:44   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 14:14   ` Andrew Burgess
2014-11-14 18:05     ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-14 18:58       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 20:09         ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-14 20:41           ` Christoph
2014-11-14 20:52           ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 22:04             ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-15  7:28               ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-15 19:40           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-15 21:45             ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-15 22:02               ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-16  9:10               ` David Kastrup
2014-11-20  2:56             ` Rob Browning
2014-11-14 20:50       ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-14 20:57       ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-14 21:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 23:56           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2014-11-15  7:36             ` David Kastrup
2014-11-14 23:02         ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-14 23:17           ` David Engster
2014-11-15  7:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-15  8:18               ` David Engster
2014-11-15  8:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 23:40           ` David Caldwell
2014-11-15  7:40           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15  8:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-15  9:12               ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15  9:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-15 10:28                   ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15 11:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-15 14:30                       ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15 17:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-15 18:17                           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15 12:05                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-15 14:35                       ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15 15:57                         ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2014-11-15 16:56                           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-15 19:57                         ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2014-11-15 20:48                           ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-16  9:33                             ` David Kastrup
2014-11-16  9:23                           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-16 15:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-16 15:47                               ` David Kastrup
2014-11-16 13:25           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-11-16 15:26             ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-16 15:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-16 16:16               ` David Kastrup
2014-11-16 16:44                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-16 17:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-16 20:24               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-11-17 11:54           ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-17 14:11             ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-18 16:59               ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-18 17:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:58                   ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-18 18:18                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:40                       ` David Kastrup
2014-11-18 18:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 20:57                       ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-18 22:43                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-19  0:48                           ` Barry Warsaw
2014-11-19  9:50                             ` David Kastrup
2014-11-19  1:12                           ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-19 16:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 16:39                               ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-19 16:49                               ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-19  4:48                           ` Teemu Likonen
2014-11-19  6:57                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 13:55                               ` Teemu Likonen
2014-11-19  8:22                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-11-19 12:14                           ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-19 13:55                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-19 15:00                               ` David Kastrup
2014-11-19 15:15                               ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-19 15:24                               ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-19 15:36                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-11-19 16:00                                 ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-19 16:42                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-20  0:57                               ` Alexis
2014-11-20 15:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 16:36                               ` Sergey Organov
2014-11-19 18:40                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 18:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 20:05                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-11-19 20:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-20  3:01                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-20 15:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 18:29                               ` Teemu Likonen
2014-11-18 23:07                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-18 23:35                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-19  1:31                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19  3:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 21:59                       ` John Yates
2014-11-19  3:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 10:08                           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-19 16:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 22:59                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 16:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 16:48                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 18:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 21:04       ` David Kastrup
2014-11-14 13:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 13:59   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-14 14:08   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-14 15:51     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 15:53       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-14 20:41         ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-14 20:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 16:48       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 14:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 15:50     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 16:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 17:03     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2014-11-14 17:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 17:30         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 20:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 21:12             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-14 21:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 21:18         ` David Kastrup
2014-11-14 21:35           ` Eli Zaretskii

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20141115195736.GB3378@acm.acm \
    --to=acm@muc.de \
    --cc=dak@gnu.org \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.