From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <20141027153954.08930677@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20141022193441.GA11872@roeckx.be> <87zjcnj2k6.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87mw8mzmxj.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023143702.3897e618@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8761fazkx7.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023145721.12ed0820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87vbnay5lf.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023154223.45f2c9eb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874muuihjh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141023230048.13f8234a@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq7pgpif.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141024171421.78720abe@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87r3xxgmx2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141024204202.276dbb1f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8738a95t6b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414438815 3214 80.91.229.3 (27 Oct 2014 19:40:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kurt@roeckx.be, Florian Weimer , rms@gnu.org, Rob Browning , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 27 20:40:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xiq9A-0007py-0H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:40:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35648 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xiq99-0006hM-Kx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xiq91-0006ac-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xiq8x-0005oB-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:58244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xiq8x-0005nx-Eq; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:39:55 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04641440; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3E52DFDB7; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:39:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8738a95t6b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175907 Archived-At: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:17:00 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Perry E. Metzger writes: > > > There are ways to provide compatibility without sacrificing > > security, however. Read our papers or our (redacted) > > recommendations to law enforcement if you wish. > > How many of those law enforcement agencies immediately acted on your > recommendations? Several acted quite quickly. I'm not at liberty to discuss the details for obvious reasons. That said, we had contacts with a large number of agencies, and they were very interested in our advice. > > I think that removing SSL 3.0 support is not an "extreme > > measure" and leaving it in isn't "balanced" at this point. > > While my credentials in security aren't anywhere near as good as > yours, unfortunately, you are obviously an extremist Whatever. You can keep calling me names all you like -- but it doesn't make your opinion any more correct. Indeed, no matter what names you call people, it won't increase the evidence for your position. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com