From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Everyone, please stop making my life more difficult Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:03 -0400 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140912162703.GE5086@thyrsus.com> References: <20140912043652.4D6D8380604@snark.thyrsus.com> <834mwd8j6a.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912095542.GD32586@thyrsus.com> <83y4tp6sc3.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912113821.GA2789@thyrsus.com> <83vbot6kvj.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410539259 25199 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2014 16:27:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 12 18:27:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XSTh4-0007IO-J2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:27:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSTh4-0003AY-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49410) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSTgn-000361-AM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSTgj-0003Sh-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:34796 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSTge-0003Rn-4N; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AFF23806F3; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83vbot6kvj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174238 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : > > I requested portable revision stamps for good reasons. > > I don't think you can expect that, until we have VC commands to > produce them and look up commits using them. Which is why that's on my to-do list. A good alternative is to refer to a commit by a quote from its summary line; in fact this is usually best for a human reader. > I'm pretty sure that once we switch to Git, everybody will use Git sha > values instead of bzr revnos. A request for better behavior is already in the developer guidelines. You could be helpful by setting a positive precedent. > > and (b) I'm still trying to make conversions available on gitorious > > so people can inspect them, get used to what the full conversion > > looks like, and critique it. > > Did you get any critique lately? No. But whether I do or not, I feel a responsibility to the developer community to make that possible. The right thing must be done and seen to be done. -- Eric S. Raymond